Quote from: Ian Warner;475485I was told Imperial Governors are apointed by the Administratum. When it comes to their Cabinet it may be possible to have a democratic element but the Governor is a dictator appointed off world.

Yes and no.  There are thousands of worlds out there that once were part of the Imperium but haven't really had connection for over 10,000 years.  When one of these worlds is recontacted, the Imperium doesn't automatically send in the dropships, they send in the diplomats.  Provided a world is willing to rejoin the Imperium, the Administratum is willing to deal with the world.  Many worlds (particularly rich ones that could fight back) have quite liberal treaties with the Imperium.

Basically the Imperium wants
1. Money
2. Soldiers
3. Psykers for the Black Ships
4. Worship of the Emperor (with a wide latitude based on local religion)
5. Non-tolerance of the Imperium's enemies.

You provide those, the Administratum could care less what you do on your planet.  Now if your expression of the Imperial Creed is a bit creative, you may run into problems with the Ecclesiarchy or the Inquisition.   The Ecclesiarchy might get the Nuns with Guns to roast some people, the Inquisition might get a Space Marine Company to decapitate your power structure, but it's the Administratum that gets a billion Imperial Guard loaded into the troopships and sent your way.

Quote from: Blackhand;475487It is a dig at Koltar, and I don't think I ever pretended it wasn't.  A lil' high minded on your part, I think.

Sorry you don't think it deserves any merit, but it does.  No matter what you think, strange things are going on in America - but that belongs on another forum, really.  Playing like it's all fun and games is silly, and this will quickly turn into a dig on you.

www.infowars.com

You win a cookie.

Never said it was all fun and games, I agree with you that strange things are going on in America, but that's not what ya said the first time. You also said your post was relevant to the thread, which it wasn't you now admit. It certainly isn't me being high-minded. I say, if you're gonna get political, get fucking political, I love political debates. Just don't get personal, that shit is weak. Oh, and if ya wanna dig on me, take your best shot, I'm pretty sure I can take it. I'd rather discuss the actual strange shit going on in America though and leave the Florida "hanging chad" shit in the past (the media made far more of that shit at the time than it deserved even then). Perhaps another time and thread. Oh, and keep your cookie.

I wouldn't mind a politics discussion in another thread either, but it should happen in another thread.

Quote from: Sigmund;475490Never said it was all fun and games, I agree with you that strange things are going on in America, but that's not what ya said the first time. You also said your post was relevant to the thread, which it wasn't you now admit.

*snip*

Oh, and keep your cookie.

No, it is relevant to the thread, I never "admitted" it wasn't.  Stop putting words in my mouth.

It was Koltar who brought up the real world when he started talking about good guys and bad guys, so that's what he got as examples.

That cookie is yours to keep.

Quote from: jeff37923;475492I wouldn't mind a politics discussion in another thread either, but it should happen in another thread.

Tangency's thata way stranger.

Quote from: David Johansen;475498Tangency's thata way stranger.

Sorry, I'd want a politics discussion, not one where people are trying to out-hipster one another on how they are asexual.

Quote from: Blackhand;475487It is a dig at Koltar, and I don't think I ever pretended it wasn't.  A lil' high minded on your part, I think.

Sorry you don't think it deserves any merit, but it does.  No matter what you think, strange things are going on in America - but that belongs on another forum, really.  Playing like it's all fun and games is silly, and this will quickly turn into a dig on you.

www.infowars.com

You win a cookie.

As an aside - have you guys seen Hobo with a Shotgun?  Rutger Hauer's awesome new flick.  Go see it and decide if it's "misery tourism" or if it's just fucking awesome.

Alex Jones? Oh FFS!

The guy's a fruitloop 'truther'.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;475502Alex Jones? Oh FFS!

The guy's a fruitloop 'truther'.

So you're going to dismiss everything because of one fruitloop theory?

Would that we could apply that to all of us.  We'd all be fucking DISMISSED.

Quote from: Blackhand;475504So you're going to dismiss everything because of one fruitloop theory?

Would that we could apply that to all of us.  We'd all be fucking DISMISSED.

He's an NWO conspiracy nutjob.  He also thinks McVeigh was an inside job, among other whackout nonsense.  

You may as well have linked to fucking David Icke.

It was simply meant as an example.  There's a lot of stuff on there that's alarmist, but real as real gets.

I've never heard of David Icke.  Something about reptilian bloodlines ruling the world.

Sounds like a game of Dark Heresy.

Quote from: Blackhand;475531I've never heard of David Icke.  Something about reptilian bloodlines ruling the world.

I wonder if that guy greets everyone asking them to say "Ka nama kaa lajerama."

Quote from: jeff37923;475492I wouldn't mind a politics discussion in another thread either, but it should happen in another thread.

One of the rare instances where Jeff & I agree on something - a politics debate IS better in another thread.
A poster brought it up in this thread because he ran out of debating points and doesn't want to admit it.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;475544A poster brought it up in this thread because he ran out of debating points and doesn't want to admit it.


- Ed C.

What the fuck?

Fuck you, too!  How's that for a debating point?

If I recall, you were the one who stopped debating when your ass started getting raped with reality.  The reality YOU decided to pursue with this comment:

Quote from: Koltar;474170And You're WRONG.

 There are LOTS of Good Guys in Real Life!!

They're known as Police officers, Firefighters, paramedics, Doctors, Nurses....various first-responders and emergency workers.

Also the men and women in the military are quite often the GOOD GUYS in all sorts of situation.

Also, Red Cross volunteers, Salvation Army workers...and oh yeah bodyguardsw at Plannened Parenthood clinics that escort women in past angry protestors......folks who join the Guardian Angels or similiar neighborhood watch groups in their home towns....


- Ed C.

We have been talking about it ever since.

We haven't seen much else on the debate from you.  You must be finished, so I can see why you'd like to get away from the subject.

Quote from: Blackhand;475495It was Koltar who brought up the real world when he started talking about good guys and bad guys, so that's what he got as examples.

That cookie is yours to keep.

Yes I did bring up the concept of "Goods guys and Bad Guys" - because that idea is relevent to EVERY Roleplaying setting.

Thats NOT bringing in the 'real word' , thats bringing in a standard cliche or trope of gaming settings - which is what we were fucking talking about. You or somebody also then did a cynical sarcastic comeback that the real world didn't have any 'Good Guys' and that the real word is a shitty place.

Which is Bullshit by-the-way.

If the world was such an 'awful shitty place', then nobody would bother having romances, making love, having babies, then creating families - and the suicide rate would be 100 times what it is now.

The Dark Heresy/WARHAMMER 40K universe on the other hand IS a shitty crapfest universe where I would expect suicide rate to be very high.

ITS A SEPERATE TOPIC:
If you want to 'debate' the STAR TREK universe and your screwed-up perceptions of it - then start a new damn thread!! I've been tempted to start one three times in the past 24 hours.  


- Ed C.





Oh and my half-apologies for not looking any sooner. One of the players from my STAR TREK RPG campaign & I were going over some details last night at the game store in preparation for next week's game session.

Quote from: Koltar;475546Yes I did bring up the concept of "Goods guys and Bad Guys" - because that idea is relevent to EVERY Roleplaying setting.

Thats NOT bringing in the 'real word' , thats bringing in a standard cliche or trope of gaming settings - which is what we were fucking talking about. You or somebody also then did a cynical sarcastic comeback that the real world didn't have any 'Good Guys' and that the real word is a shitty place.

*snip*

If you didn't double post, you wouldn't look as stupid as you do now.

Wait...

Quote from: Koltar;475546ITS A SEPERATE TOPIC:
If you want to 'debate' the STAR TREK universe and your screwed-up perceptions of it - then start a new damn thread!! I've been tempted to start one three times in the past 24 hours.  


- Ed C.

It's not a separate topic.  No one wants to talk about Star Trek with you.

Everything else you said has been bullshit, too.