Quote from: Dominus NoxThe klan does not openly and blatantly murder people in public on video for all to see, they have to do it covertly and risk capture, arrest, trial, prison and even execution.

Well, except that you could openly purchase photo postcards of lynchings in the segregation-era South, with smiling white faces -- some of them with badges -- standing beside the black corpses.  Try again.

KoOS

Quote from: King of Old SchoolWell, except that you could openly purchase photo postcards of lynchings in the segregation-era South, with smiling white faces -- some of them with badges -- standing beside the black corpses.  Try again.

KoOS

Oh god how many fucking years ago was that?!?!?!?!

I have a friend who plays and loves Exalted who is a hardcore "Rockin' Jesus" Christian. He won't play a Sorcery user. He also won't play casting classes in WoW.


I guess it's his way of moderating his beliefs and having fun.


Oh, and don't remind me that all charms in exalted are technically Magic.

Quote from: KrakaJakOh, and don't remind me that all charms in exalted are technically Magic.

Dude, they're rockin' SPIRIT POWER!  See also: John Mikl-Thor in Rock n Roll Nightmare.

Quote from: fonkaygarryDude, they're rockin' SPIRIT POWER!  See also: John Mikl-Thor in Rock n Roll Nightmare.

I don't know how he deals with the Pantheons of gods and all that. He must go home and repent all week before his next game.


I think he cuts it slack, because it lists the Bible as a reference.

Quote from: King of Old SchoolWell, except that you could openly purchase photo postcards of lynchings in the segregation-era South, with smiling white faces -- some of them with badges -- standing beside the black corpses.  Try again.

KoOS

We'll my great-grandmother's lynching pictures didn't look too old. She used to show them to me when she got nostalgic about the good old days. I think my mom ended up donating them to a museum when grandma died.

Anyway, as an agnostic who owns a couple D&D books who were given to me by a christian convinced that gaming led to hell, which is why he gave his books away and repented. I can't say I'm too worried about hell. I'm an honorable man, and I try to be good. I'm not going to worry about the next life until I'm there. And I think people who do are silly.

Quote from: apparition132. Better argument: God determines the fall of the dice. All you do by rolling is learn what god's will is.

Look up Urim and Thummin.

Fuck, I know I'm spelling those wrong, though.

Quote from: Levi KornelsenLook up Urim and Thummin.

Fuck, I know I'm spelling those wrong, though.

Scott Adams recently wrote a book postulating a pandeistic theory of the universe, in which the law of probability is essentially "what's left of God after he create the universe".

For my own part, my own more pantheistic conception of diety similarly postulates that part of the method by which the divine interacts with the real is through the affecting of supposedly "random" chance outcomes.

That's what I like about being a heathen.  Odin doesn't give a shit about RPG's.

Quote from: J ArcaneFor my own part, my own more pantheistic conception of diety similarly postulates that part of the method by which the divine interacts with the real is through the affecting of supposedly "random" chance outcomes.

It would seem to me the easiest way to intervene without destroying the need for faith, but we're veering dangerously close to off topic discussions here aren't we?

Quote from: BalbinusIt would seem to me the easiest way to intervene without destroying the need for faith, but we're veering dangerously close to off topic discussions here aren't we?

I apologize.  It was just a thought that popped into my head when I saw the originating post.

Stream of consciousness and all that.

Though I would point out that the original topic of this thread was veering in that direction already.

Quote from: J ArcaneI apologize.  It was just a thought that popped into my head when I saw the originating post.

Stream of consciousness and all that.

Though I would point out that the original topic of this thread was veering in that direction already.

Don't worry, as you say it's headed that way anyway.  If I'm wrong and god exists, my betting would be that was the way in which god mostly intervened.  

To take this back to gaming, years ago I played in a Gurps game in which we had a monotheistic religion.  My character was a young farmboy, very devout, who got blinded in a battle.

I had him pray for his sight to recover, he prayed every day during his convalescence, it was pure roleplaying as to the best of my knowledge as a player there was no divine element in the actual gameworld, just a religion.

The GM told me afterwards that the religion was right in the game world, god did exist and he did answer prayers though discreetly.  My character got his sight back, as a player I thought it was just the natural healing process and a bit of GM pity, but in fact the GM was answering honest prayers in game.

I thought that was incredibly cool, faith was rewarded, the world worked as the faithful believed it did, but it was subtle and during play the players themselves didn't know that god really existed and really did answer prayers.

Quote from: StumpydaveThat's what I like about being a heathen.  Odin doesn't give a shit about RPG's.

You haven't heard the story of the one-eyed gamer?  He shows up at sessions in gaming stores and plays one session.  Usually ends up walking away with the GM's girl-friend too, 'cuz the guy's got so much charm.  If you fudged the rules during the game then you die soon by being struck by a bus.  But if you played it straight then you get drafted into the armed services (even if your country does not now have and has never had a draft) and die soon in battle.  So it's all cool!

Odin's all about the RPGs.


About games:  I'm always slightly surprised that people are worried that games teach "the wrong moral lesson."  For the most part, even the most pagan, wild, crazy moral structures (like, say, the guest-rite stories of the Norse) teach moral lessons that are better for people than the complete and total void of non-morality that they get elsewhere.  

Anyone who tells me that people learn more about right and wrong from watching Seinfeld than from reading greek myth ... that's just crazy.

If you're not gonna read the holy scriptures morning, noon and night (and most people aren't) then you could do a lot worse than fill up some of the rest of that time thinking about the many other ways that people have considered morality throughout history and literature.

The mistake you make there Tony is that these sorts of people have no interest in encouraging you to make up your own mind regarding morality.  They want you to adopt thair morality, and nothing less will do.  

In the specific case of the sorts that get most bent out of shape about silly things like RPGs, it is further often the case that these individuals simply can't fathom another morality, and are uncomfortable even entertaining the idea that there may be other moral codes that hold any validity whatsoever.

They're also often sorts with a severe disability in their ability to seperate fantasy from reality, which onyl further complicates the matter.

Still, they generally eventually get bored with a given scapegoat over time, and move on to something else.  Video games are the big scapegoat these days.  There are lingering bits of the old anti-TRPG craziness, mostly in dim rememberances of the past, but you rarely find the kind of shrill lunacy that is daily directed at electronic entertainment.

Eris plays Encounter Critical and Synnibar, but she cheats.