Quote from: Omega;756492With Next's Basic though we dont know whats in and whats not. Just the Fighter, Cleric, Mage, Rogue?

We do, though. The Q&A video on Friday confirmed: Fighter, Mage, Cleric, Rogue. Human, Dwarf, Elf, Halfling.

Quote from: Marleycat;756494Yes 4/4 is the core it's not 3/4e why do you think there's such uproar and entertainment for me at ENWorld and TBP from certain posters? They just can't grasp what's actually happened yet. WotC is entering the modern RPG landscape with MONEY. WotC is doing what TSR intended to do 30 years ago....BASIC is D&D the Big 3 are AD&D.

Exactly so. Well, except for the race as class thing.

Quote from: LibraryLass;756495We do, though. The Q&A video on Friday confirmed: Fighter, Mage, Cleric, Rogue. Human, Dwarf, Elf, Halfling.



Exactly so. Well, except for the race as class thing.

I like race as class but I'm a minority there obviously.

And Race as class was RC (BEMI) or whatever before I actually played the game (I started when Unearthed Arcana came out right with 2e) which is after both RC and 1e.

Late 1980's-early 1990's to be helpful.

Quote from: LibraryLass;756346Irrelevant. The point is that you can, if so inclined, and there is no need to buy the rest unless one chooses to.

Sophistry.
I'm fine ignoring the .01% corner case.

However my reply wasn't only about the Basic PDF it was also targeted to the
"Of course, thanks to the shift to seeing D&D as a brand under which a plethora of products can blossom rather than an RPG and a bunch of tie-ins, Wizards can afford to do this. They make their real money with boardgames and MMOs and other revenue sources and the RPG is there less as a revenue generator (though revenue is of course welcome) and more as a testbed for producing IP to make other stuff out of. But even so, this is huge."
Now we gots the "Well the RPG can tank but who cares it's a 'brand' now" excuse.

Quote from: Sommerjon;756328Who is going to play with only the Basic PDF?

Anyone who is interested in a simple version of D&D5. I think that eventually, most people will incorporate rules from full D&D5, but the base will be, well Basic D&D5.

Having both a basic and an advanced version of D&D is a very intelligent move. You satisfy both the übernerds and the casual players. It's like D&D BX/BECM and AD&D, or MERP and Rolemaster.

Quote from: Marleycat;756496I like race as class but I'm a minority there obviously.

And Race as class was RC (BEMI) or whatever before I actually played the game (I started when Unearthed Arcana came out right with 2e) which is after both RC and 1e.

Late 1980's-early 1990's to be helpful.

I think they meant those are the Class and Race options, rather than the class options as it were. The playtest did not have race-as-class past the first playtest.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;754801Just for the record, I actually learned a lot of interesting and useful things from James' blog. I just found is passive-aggressive zeal for the "one true way" of OSR a bit much.

The dude was a fraud.  And it says a lot just how many people were willing to fall for him.

Quote from: Haffrung;755033Yeah, how shitty would it be if this became a forum for people to talk about the most popular RPG in the hobby? Better it stay a particularly snarky offshoot of the OSR.

As always, this forum will be whatever people want it to be. I don't control the posting of threads here (as long as they are topical in general).

If you don't like all the 5e threads, Kyle, then why not fucking post a thread about something other than 5e?  That sounds like the kind of snarky advice you love giving others when you're not busy being a raging hypocrite.

Quote from: Sommerjon;756328Who is going to play with only the Basic PDF?

Me?

Depends on what is in it. I'm really liking the KISS paradigm with gaming nowadays.

Quote from: Marleycat;756496I like race as class but I'm a minority there obviously.

  One possible way to get a similar effect with 5E (man, I just cannot stop calling it Next!) while preserving flexibility would be to limit certain race/sublcass combinations. Perhaps the Illusionist subclass is a secret art of the gnomes, or only those with elven blood can make pacts with fey nobles to become that kind of warlock?

QuoteLate 1980's-early 1990's to be helpful.

  Middle/Lost School. Paladins & Princesses era. The kind of stuff that gets despised by both Pundit and many of his critics.

  I'm hoping 5E will help fill that niche; 4E is a very good and underappreciated game for what it is, IMO, but it requires a lot of energy/brainpower/material investment and tends to shape the gameplay experience in different ways that were assumed by the M/LS. I'm warming more and more to 5E as we see more about it, it starts looking more professional, and I recognize that it's going to fill a different niche. I just worry it's going to turn out like 3.0 in terms of hidden traps and things that break the system. Well, that and Pundit's self-aggrandizement about how important he's been to the game. But then, I knew coming in here I'd be even more out of place here than I am on TBP.

Quote from: Sommerjon;756328Who is going to play with only the Basic PDF?

I certainly plan on trying it for some short pick-up games.  What makes you think it's not something people will do?

I am really looking forward to it actually.  Sit down with a 2-hour time frame, players travelling from point A to point B through the wilderness as part of the larger campaign, roll on random tables to see what's in the hex they just entered, adjudicate encounter(s) there, rinse, repeat.  Should be fun.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;756865One possible way to get a similar effect with 5E (man, I just cannot stop calling it Next!) while preserving flexibility would be to limit certain race/sublcass combinations. Perhaps the Illusionist subclass is a secret art of the gnomes, or only those with elven blood can make pacts with fey nobles to become that kind of warlock?

Neat idea. I was thinking something like that for certain games/settings.



  Middle/Lost School. Paladins & Princesses era. The kind of stuff that gets despised by both Pundit and many of his critics.

  I'm hoping 5E will help fill that niche; 4E is a very good and underappreciated game for what it is, IMO, but it requires a lot of energy/brainpower/material investment and tends to shape the gameplay experience in different ways that were assumed by the M/LS. I'm warming more and more to 5E as we see more about it, it starts looking more professional, and I recognize that it's going to fill a different niche. I just worry it's going to turn out like 3.0 in terms of hidden traps and things that break the system. Well, that and Pundit's self-aggrandizement about how important he's been to the game. But then, I knew coming in here I'd be even more out of place here than I am on TBP.

I don't mind Pundit he makes me laugh. But I do agree with the rest and definitely have my concerns about too much 3e in it because of the multiclassing system. I have to see it in action for a full game before I would tinker with it though.

Quote from: Sommerjon;756328Who is going to play with only the Basic PDF?

I will.  Unless and until they release a print version of Basic.  The only reason I'd buy the other books is if I enjoy Basic so much that I'd like more.  Playing with a few classes and races is fine by me.  Potentially for years.

Quote from: RPGPundit;756853If you don't like all the 5e threads, Kyle, then why not fucking post a thread about something other than 5e?  That sounds like the kind of snarky advice you love giving others when you're not busy being a raging hypocrite.

I'm not gaming at the moment, it'd just be theory, alas I can tell old gaming stories but those get boring.

But I'm glad to see I've hit a nerve. You long boasted about being an outsider from the Swine mainstream, now you post threads about being an Insider - your capitalisation. We now see that your problem with shills was just that you'd never been asked to be one before.

Quote from: Sommerjon;756328Who is going to play with only the Basic PDF?

Quite a few, I'm betting. Particularly old-schoolers or people who prefer a more basic style of game.  

In fact, I predict that people will take the basic PDF and create modifications for it that are totally different from the 3 rulebooks.
People may form communities online to exchange such ideas.
We may very well end up seeing a bunch of 5e Basic "Clones".

What I like about the basic/"advanced " split is Basic gives a great baseline that's hard to argue (from a "but this is a core book" perspective, at least— Lord knows people can argue anything). In other words: this campaign is Basic, plus Paladins, Monks, and Gnomes.

I intend to use Basic + the classes and races of 1e. Might restrict some classes by race, I have a hard time with demihuman paladins, and while I can stomach Elf rangers (eehhhhh) a Halfling ranger is a bit beyond the pale. Dragonborn Paladin? Go fuck yourself and fuck your character concept, go bitch on a forum.