Which would work for an original game, but not a retro clone of AD&D which used 100s of the monsters from ToH in its 2nd edition.

Quote from: JeremyR on May 19, 2024, 11:26:42 PMWhich would work for an original game, but not a retro clone of AD&D which used 100s of the monsters from ToH in its 2nd edition.

There's about 5 OGLed totally not Illithids. It's more work to create your own versions of the monsters but not impossible.

IF you were to release the bestiary as CC By I bet lots of people would help you to do the work.

Or you could just use the OGL and use the actual monsters.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 18, 2024, 03:04:47 AMNot sure about the legality of taking a CC By SRD as your base and publishing the resulting document under a different more closed license.

Yes

From here.

https://creativecommons.org/faq/#if-i-derive-or-adapt-material-offered-under-a-creative-commons-license-which-cc-licenses-can-i-use

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Since AELF has a credit requirement similar to Section 15 of the OGL then CC-BY adapted content can be offered under that license provided if the required credit is made part of that section.

Quote from: JeremyR on May 20, 2024, 03:33:02 PMOr you could just use the OGL and use the actual monsters.

But the discussion was about getting out of the OGL, so, to do so you can use the CC By SRD and/or make your own versions of the monsters.

IMHO making your own version is better since you aren't contributing to the network effect of WotC's BS. But that's just me.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 20, 2024, 09:02:01 PM

Quote from: JeremyR on May 20, 2024, 03:33:02 PMOr you could just use the OGL and use the actual monsters.

But the discussion was about getting out of the OGL, so, to do so you can use the CC By SRD and/or make your own versions of the monsters.

IMHO making your own version is better since you aren't contributing to the network effect of WotC's BS. But that's just me.

Avoiding the OGL also generally forces you back to the original myths and legends from which the creatures derive, which are typically much more interesting than the Flanderized versions D&D created and the OGL offers.

Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to go reading through a campaign setting and seeing the same damnable chromatic dragon types in every one? Or medusas as a race and gorgons as a separate race of bull things? Or the divide between demons and devils with the balor and every other D&D demon represented? The same giants, ogres, orcs, regenerating trolls, goblins, etc.?

At best they'll posit one or two different things about the relationships between a couple of the bog-D&D-standard critters, and that's it. That is what suffices for creativity in fantasy rpgs for the most part. Then they wonder why their heartbreaker can't gain any traction against D&D as it only really offers warmed over D&D material.

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 21, 2024, 05:31:02 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 20, 2024, 09:02:01 PM

Quote from: JeremyR on May 20, 2024, 03:33:02 PMOr you could just use the OGL and use the actual monsters.

But the discussion was about getting out of the OGL, so, to do so you can use the CC By SRD and/or make your own versions of the monsters.

IMHO making your own version is better since you aren't contributing to the network effect of WotC's BS. But that's just me.

Avoiding the OGL also generally forces you back to the original myths and legends from which the creatures derive, which are typically much more interesting than the Flanderized versions D&D created and the OGL offers.

Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to go reading through a campaign setting and seeing the same damnable chromatic dragon types in every one? Or medusas as a race and gorgons as a separate race of bull things? Or the divide between demons and devils with the balor and every other D&D demon represented? The same giants, ogres, orcs, regenerating trolls, goblins, etc.?

At best they'll posit one or two different things about the relationships between a couple of the bog-D&D-standard critters, and that's it. That is what suffices for creativity in fantasy rpgs for the most part. Then they wonder why their heartbreaker can't gain any traction against D&D as it only really offers warmed over D&D material.

And, since we're talking about OSRIC, anyone that REALLY wants those same monsters can pick up for free the old edition or some other retroclone and just drop them into their world.

But your heartbreaker could still not do well even if it's not a retroclone or it's one but with original monsters and races, too much stuff to wade through to be found, you need to be good at marketing yourself and start marketing well before it's ready to publish.