Quote from: Spinachcat;1040881Awesome!

According to the module text, Annic Nova has a history of appearing in systems, then mysteriously disappearing.

And I'm a huge fan of space horror.

So...Vargr ghosts, phasing in and out of reality, regressing into mutated wolf forms, psychic emanations, all sorts of crazy haunted house stuff.

I chose SWN because the classes (Psychics, Warriors, Experts) made for a good D&D in spaaaace crew.

That sounds really fun. I love the horror angle. I am inspired to to do something similar but switch Event Horizon for Mythos. Not very original, I know, but the idea would include a Hound of Tindalos stalking the PCs Alien style and the last crew having been helped by Mi-Go into brain cylinders.

I'm always good for Mythos in spaaaace!

BTW, Sine Nomine's Silent Legions combines with SWN very nicely.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1040881That's good news! The best part of the OSR is the creativity and camaraderie.

I'm not aware of the OSR ever having had an ideological bent, just 'make good stuff'. I guess there have been SJW attacks 'Why does the OSR hate women?' - but at no point has the OSR as a movement been noticeably anti-SJW, or any other ideology, that I can see. Various OSR creators have their own political & ideological beliefs, and being about a renaissance based on old stuff OSR folks tend to trend maybe a bit less left wing than where the mainstream RPG industry is currently, but I cannot discern any common OSR ideology.

Quote from: S'mon;1040905I'm not aware of the OSR ever having had an ideological bent, just 'make good stuff'. I guess there have been SJW attacks 'Why does the OSR hate women?' - but at no point has the OSR as a movement been noticeably anti-SJW, or any other ideology, that I can see. Various OSR creators have their own political & ideological beliefs, and being about a renaissance based on old stuff OSR folks tend to trend maybe a bit less left wing than where the mainstream RPG industry is currently, but I cannot discern any common OSR ideology.

I wasn't talking about politics.  Ideology is not restricted to the political sphere but occurs everywhere in hobbies, in the workplace (especially in the workplace).  It's not always a bad thing either, sometimes it's necessary.

For a long time many members of the OSR were concerned with defining exactly what Old School means, what is and isn't old school and with defending Old School's right to exist from those who claim the rules are objectively bad and that the only reason to play older editions is nostalgia.  It feels to me like this is no longer all that necessary.

I suspect over time people will continue doing what they're doing but they'll worry less and less about whether it's OSR as some kind of distinct movement within gaming, and just worry about making the kind of thing they like and is useful to them.

Quote from: TJS;1040914I wasn't talking about politics.  Ideology is not restricted to the political sphere but occurs everywhere in hobbies, in the workplace (especially in the workplace).  It's not always a bad thing either, sometimes it's necessary.

For a long time many members of the OSR were concerned with defining exactly what Old School means, what is and isn't old school and with defending Old School's right to exist from those who claim the rules are objectively bad and that the only reason to play older editions is nostalgia.  It feels to me like this is no longer all that necessary.

I suspect over time people will continue doing what they're doing but they'll worry less and less about whether it's OSR as some kind of distinct movement within gaming, and just worry about making the kind of thing they like and is useful to them.

Thanks for the clarification- makes sense.

Quote from: S'mon;1040905I'm not aware of the OSR ever having had an ideological bent, just 'make good stuff'. I guess there have been SJW attacks 'Why does the OSR hate women?' - but at no point has the OSR as a movement been noticeably anti-SJW, or any other ideology, that I can see. Various OSR creators have their own political & ideological beliefs, and being about a renaissance based on old stuff OSR folks tend to trend maybe a bit less left wing than where the mainstream RPG industry is currently, but I cannot discern any common OSR ideology.

The OSR, as a group, had no ideology, it was all about getting people to play games. The internet itself is not even necessary. How do I know? As it began as the OSR I was in on the conference calls, Raggi was too.

Everyone making a political statement or engaging in social justice in the OSR is not getting the point. Just play games. Set your differences aside for a few hours and tell a story together. I do this in public every week with a diverse group. It works. It is easy. Just dive in, play the games, have fun.

The OSR was always terrible at hiveminding (Thank Crom!). The AD&D Revivalists vs. the RetroCloners vs. the OSR Expanders sniped at each other, but after a decade, each division has its own community with a certain amount of crossover. AKA, the hardcore AD&D via TSR crowd are continuing their merry way with their TSR products, some who use the plethora of compatible resources. Many retrocloners just play retroclones, using both TSR and OSR products. And the OSR Expanders are wandering their own way, with variable levels of direct compatibility.

The OSR future is good.

The Revivalists will continue reviving. The WotC TSR imprints exist, as well as PDFs, plus eBay is full of cheap old books.

The Retrocloners are happy junkspanking monkeys with a great cheap products everywhichway. It is truly an embarrassment of riches!

The OSR Expanders will continue expanding, taking old school ideas in new and different directions.

And 5e is helping the OSR publishers, many who are doing releases of the same books in multiple systems (Troll Lord, Frog God, etc).

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1040520The OSR seems to me to be winding down and sputtering out as a creative movement. I guess it was inevitably going to happen sooner or later.

I don't agree. In the last year the OSR products that have come out have been more creative and innovative than ever.

So as not to hijack this thread, I've posted my response to his "goodbye forever" bullshit in another thread.

Of course, you could argue that rules reflect politics.
 
Take the 3d6 in order people. They are essentially saying "No one is a hero, everyone is average". As opposed to the 4d6 drop one (or other even more generous methods in AD&D), which implies some people are just better than others. A lot better. Or the more modern point buy method, where everyone is equally above average but no one truly exceptional.

Or saving throws. The old school method of having different saving throws based on your sort training - some people are good at avoiding some dangers, worse at others. Then you have the single saving throw which says people are all the same, no one is really better than one another.. And the more modern, ability score method, which essentially says training doesn't matter, it's your innate abilities.

You do a much deeper analysis on classes. Some people characters that have no special powers or skills. Others go on about balance. ETc.  

All of them arguably display a different philosophy on life. Do you view characters as heroes who are larger than life, do amazing deeds and change the world? Schlubs that do some stuff and die right away? Perfectly balanced members of a team where everyone is an equal participant?

Quote from: JeremyR;1041064Of course, you could argue that rules reflect politics.

We could, but we'd first need to hit the bong really hard about a dozen times.

Quote from: JeremyR;1041064Take the 3d6 in order people. They are essentially saying "No one is a hero, everyone is average".

lol, quite to the contrary. What we are saying is: "You make the best out of your lot in life. Life is not fair. There will always be someone who is better than you, you whimp. Quit the whinging and play the fucking game."

Quote from: Nerzenjäger;1041156lol, quite to the contrary. What we are saying is: "You make the best out of your lot in life. Life is not fair. There will always be someone who is better than you, you whimp. Quit the whinging and play the fucking game."

Yes, that's a lot closer to it.