Quote from: HappyDaze on September 10, 2024, 11:34:52 AM

Quote from: blackstone on September 10, 2024, 11:29:33 AMWere they outraged? Naw, just upset and thought it was stupid.

So what you said is patently false.

Considering that he said "freak out" and you want to split "outraged" vs "just upset and thought it was stupid" then what he said is not patently false unless freak out = upset and thought it was stupid, which isn't really what I'd think of as freak[ing] out.

The point is that there were people in the gaming community that viewed those products negatively and were vocal about it to a degree.

Quote from: blackstone on September 10, 2024, 01:46:36 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 10, 2024, 11:34:52 AM

Quote from: blackstone on September 10, 2024, 11:29:33 AMWere they outraged? Naw, just upset and thought it was stupid.

So what you said is patently false.

Considering that he said "freak out" and you want to split "outraged" vs "just upset and thought it was stupid" then what he said is not patently false unless freak out = upset and thought it was stupid, which isn't really what I'd think of as freak[ing] out.

The point is that there were people in the gaming community that viewed those products negatively and were vocal about it to a degree.

I also remember a much deeper awareness of why people might be upset on the part of people doing it.

Quite often such inclusions were meant to be humorous (the giant's bowling alley in Greyhawk) with a wink and a nod.

There was also a culture in gaming that might think the most vocal were a bit much but understood the complaints and often agreed or at least argued they should be segregated.

And that latter I think is a key point in understanding the difference. The heroic feast illustration, like the other examples, in individual modules nor do they tie into the broader inspirational framework (as some science fantasy elements did). They are illustrations in the core rules for a specific spell that lack awareness of how odd it is in the broader context (unlike the various cartoons in the original DMG, themselves controversial when the book dropped).

In that they become a simple to point out demonstration of the divorcing of 6e from its roots in a way even 4e didn't do.

So, yeah, if you want to shrug and say "it's just fantasy" or "D&D was never historical" feel free. But when you don't understand the inability to treat anything as a serious or constrained space by new players ask yourself how that was lost?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 10, 2024, 12:18:18 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 09, 2024, 11:27:10 PMBut tacos, sushi and burgers. OH NOES!

Gotta agree with Mistwell on this one. This is pretty low on my "Woke stupidity" meter. More like, this pic is just goofy, like a lot of D&D before it.

How many grains of sand make a beach?

First the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)
Next the multicolor Elves
And now this.

It's not Forgotten Realms or any other D&D setting (even if WotC says it is) It's current year Seattle.

Because you manufactured both a connection and timeline. This isn't one in a series of issues, they're all in the same book with hundreds of images which don't match that narrative. Everyone ignored the other images because they're entirely non-controversial and don't get clicks or discussion. Which is HOW EVERY CORE BOOK RELEASE FOR EVERY EDITION goes. Whatever is plain vanilla doesn't get discussed.

There is only one objection I've seen which isn't manufactured outrage. And that's Exploderwizard's reaction, that the art overall feels to him impersonal and corporate art with a fantasy overlay. That's an objection that at least makes sense and doesn't depend on pretending all the other art in the book doesn't exist and there is some connection between like 5 images total spread throughout the book with some meaning and agenda behind it all.

Your objection feels like movie The Number 23. You start with a premise you will find something (like the number 23, or a woke agenda), and then find things which match that premise declaring it must be true, while your eyes simply don't see all the stuff which doesn't support the premise. Even though that other stuff is the extreme overwhelming majority of images in the book. And you've surrounded your information sources with people who also are looking for support for that same agenda, AND have not seen the book yourself. So your only access to images is the same people who already think like you and are looking for support for the same premise.

Meanwhile this is a much more representative image of the vast majority of images in the book. You can apply ExplodedWizard's objection to this image, but not yours or Pundits:

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:17:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 10, 2024, 12:18:18 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 09, 2024, 11:27:10 PMBut tacos, sushi and burgers. OH NOES!

Gotta agree with Mistwell on this one. This is pretty low on my "Woke stupidity" meter. More like, this pic is just goofy, like a lot of D&D before it.

How many grains of sand make a beach?

First the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)
Next the multicolor Elves
And now this.

It's not Forgotten Realms or any other D&D setting (even if WotC says it is) It's current year Seattle.

Because you manufactured both a connection and timeline. This isn't one in a series of issues, they're all in the same book with hundreds of images which don't match that narrative. Everyone ignored the other images because they're entirely non-controversial and don't get clicks or discussion. Which is HOW EVERY CORE BOOK RELEASE FOR EVERY EDITION goes. Whatever is plain vanilla doesn't get discussed.

There is only one objection I've seen which isn't manufactured outrage. And that's Exploderwizard's reaction, that the art overall feels to him impersonal and corporate art with a fantasy overlay. That's an objection that at least makes sense and doesn't depend on pretending all the other art in the book doesn't exist and there is some connection between like 5 images total spread throughout the book with some meaning and agenda behind it all.

So, the illustrations on the PBH aren't connected in any way...

As for a timeline, there's one, the timeline when we find out about it. YOU might want to overlook THAT, but it's there nevertheless, because reality exists even if you wish it didn't.

Now please come back and explain to us all how exactly the illustrations on the PBH AREN'T connected to each other in any way shape or form.

Plus, you're also disregarding the well DOCUMENTED ideology at work in WotC. Another thread connecting it all. But I'm sure you'll find an Ad-Hoc rationalization for that too.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:17:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 10, 2024, 12:18:18 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 09, 2024, 11:27:10 PMBut tacos, sushi and burgers. OH NOES!

Gotta agree with Mistwell on this one. This is pretty low on my "Woke stupidity" meter. More like, this pic is just goofy, like a lot of D&D before it.

How many grains of sand make a beach?

First the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)
Next the multicolor Elves
And now this.

It's not Forgotten Realms or any other D&D setting (even if WotC says it is) It's current year Seattle.

Because you manufactured both a connection and timeline. This isn't one in a series of issues, they're all in the same book with hundreds of images which don't match that narrative. Everyone ignored the other images because they're entirely non-controversial and don't get clicks or discussion. Which is HOW EVERY CORE BOOK RELEASE FOR EVERY EDITION goes. Whatever is plain vanilla doesn't get discussed.

There is only one objection I've seen which isn't manufactured outrage. And that's Exploderwizard's reaction, that the art overall feels to him impersonal and corporate art with a fantasy overlay. That's an objection that at least makes sense and doesn't depend on pretending all the other art in the book doesn't exist and there is some connection between like 5 images total spread throughout the book with some meaning and agenda behind it all.

So, the illustrations on the PBH aren't connected in any way...

As for a timeline, there's one, the timeline when we find out about it. YOU might want to overlook THAT, but it's there nevertheless, because reality exists even if you wish it didn't.

Now please come back and explain to us all how exactly the illustrations on the PBH AREN'T connected to each other in any way shape or form.

Plus, you're also disregarding the well DOCUMENTED ideology at work in WotC. Another thread connecting it all. But I'm sure you'll find an Ad-Hoc rationalization for that too.

The illustrations are connected, but not the connection you're making because the ones you're focused on are the extreme overwhelming minority tone of the images in the book. The extreme overwhelming majority of images don't envisage anything concerning the premise you're claiming. You could much more easily support a premise that the book uses the colors white and blue for ray-like spells, which seems to be a common color pallet in the book for some reason. You could support the premise there seems to be more dragonborn images in this book than in the past. But you cannot, if you actually pick up the friggen book and look at it yourself rather than parroting some clickbait agenda, honestly support the premise that the books overall image tone is backing a woke agenda. Because it doesn't. Frankly I'd say half the illustrations are of ordinary objects and setting locations in the book with no people portrayed at all. If their goal was to make the illustrations about a woke agenda, frankly they did a terrible awful and rotten job at it. There are hundreds and hundreds of places they could have slipped such an agenda into and simply didn't. As it is you have to really blind yourself to nearly everything to pull out the tiny fragments to pretend wokism is some cohesive theme to the illustrations when it isn't.

And the timeline you "found out" about it IS ENTIRELY MANUFACTURED BY PEOPLE YOU KNOW HAVE THE SAME AGENDA AS YOU. They're cherry picking the stuff which supports your same premise, and ignoring the stuff that doesn't support that premise, and then dishing it out one image at a time literally for clickbait. Because controversy sells.

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:43:03 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:17:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 10, 2024, 12:18:18 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 09, 2024, 11:27:10 PMBut tacos, sushi and burgers. OH NOES!

Gotta agree with Mistwell on this one. This is pretty low on my "Woke stupidity" meter. More like, this pic is just goofy, like a lot of D&D before it.

How many grains of sand make a beach?

First the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)
Next the multicolor Elves
And now this.

It's not Forgotten Realms or any other D&D setting (even if WotC says it is) It's current year Seattle.

Because you manufactured both a connection and timeline. This isn't one in a series of issues, they're all in the same book with hundreds of images which don't match that narrative. Everyone ignored the other images because they're entirely non-controversial and don't get clicks or discussion. Which is HOW EVERY CORE BOOK RELEASE FOR EVERY EDITION goes. Whatever is plain vanilla doesn't get discussed.

There is only one objection I've seen which isn't manufactured outrage. And that's Exploderwizard's reaction, that the art overall feels to him impersonal and corporate art with a fantasy overlay. That's an objection that at least makes sense and doesn't depend on pretending all the other art in the book doesn't exist and there is some connection between like 5 images total spread throughout the book with some meaning and agenda behind it all.

So, the illustrations on the PBH aren't connected in any way...

As for a timeline, there's one, the timeline when we find out about it. YOU might want to overlook THAT, but it's there nevertheless, because reality exists even if you wish it didn't.

Now please come back and explain to us all how exactly the illustrations on the PBH AREN'T connected to each other in any way shape or form.

Plus, you're also disregarding the well DOCUMENTED ideology at work in WotC. Another thread connecting it all. But I'm sure you'll find an Ad-Hoc rationalization for that too.

The illustrations are connected, but not the connection you're making because the ones you're focused on are the extreme overwhelming minority tone of the images in the book. The extreme overwhelming majority of images don't envisage anything concerning the premise you're claiming. You could much more easily support a premise that the book uses the colors white and blue for ray-like spells, which seems to be a common color pallet in the book for some reason. You could support the premise there seems to be more dragonborn images in this book than in the past. But you cannot, if you actually pick up the friggen book and look at it yourself rather than parroting some clickbait agenda, honestly support the premise that the books overall image tone is backing a woke agenda. Because it doesn't. Frankly I'd say half the illustrations are of ordinary objects and setting locations in the book with no people portrayed at all. If their goal was to make the illustrations about a woke agenda, frankly they did a terrible awful and rotten job at it. There are hundreds and hundreds of places they could have slipped such an agenda into and simply didn't. As it is you have to really blind yourself to nearly everything to pull out the tiny fragments to pretend wokism is some cohesive theme to the illustrations when it isn't.

And the timeline you "found out" about it IS ENTIRELY MANUFACTURED BY PEOPLE YOU KNOW HAVE THE SAME AGENDA AS YOU. They're cherry picking the stuff which supports your same premise, and ignoring the stuff that doesn't support that premise, and then dishing it out one image at a time literally for clickbait. Because controversy sells.

So now you're moving the goal post from there's no connection to what?

It's not the connection I'm making?

And #NotAll?

So, what's the connection I'm making Professor X?

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:43:03 PMNTIRELY MANUFACTURED BY PEOPLE YOU KNOW HAVE THE SAME AGENDA AS YOU. They're cherry picking the stuff which supports your same premise, and ignoring the stuff that doesn't support that premise, and then dishing it out one image at a time literally for clickbait. Because controversy sells.

"It's all a conspiracy theory! It's not happening! There's definitely not a hard leftist agenda in the new PHB art, even though there's gay dwarves making pastries, and good illegal-immigrant orcs, and there's literally probably more Women-of-Color in the PHB than there are women of color who play D&D in real life. And if it was happening, it would be a GOOD THING, bigot! If you don't want your game to be political indoctrination, you're the weird one!!!"

Mistwell ascribes a motivation of fun quirkiness to the picture, I ascribe laziness.  To me, fun and quirky would be a Hero's Feast that summoned the party's favorite foods, and their bemused and/or disgusted reactions to the cultural foods of the others.  But that would've taken some actual thought and some creativity, so instead the artist popped open the local Uber Eats page and just drew whatever they found on there.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AMFirst the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)

Okay but I don't give a shit about any of that stuff either. 

Quote from: blackstone on September 10, 2024, 11:29:33 AMI'm old enough to remember there were people back in the day who were upset about some of these things, either at my local gaming store or at cons. Were they outraged? Naw, just upset and thought it was stupid.

So what you said is patently false.

This is a standard sort of lie that the SJW left loves to tell.  It goes something like this.  (Fill in older thing here) did this and wasn't criticized for it.  You are only criticizing (DEI thing) because

a) you are grifting.
b) you are a bigot.

The problem is that the underlying premise that everyone was okay with this before is just a lie.  I actually saw people trying to make this sort of claim with Star Trek V and Star Trek Discovery.  Discovery is being criticized while Star Trek V "got a pass" therefore critics of Discovery are just racists and sexists.  They are banking on people just taking this claim at face value and not knowing what the actual response was at the time.  Star Trek V was panned at the time.  It's still widely considered to be the worst Star Trek movie.  Its Rotten Tomatoes audience score is currently at 25%.  The claim that the sci-fi elements in Expedition to the Barrier Peaks didn't cause any pushback is just bullshit.  I was there.  It did.  I remember people talking about how it broke Greyhawk as a setting.   

Quote from: yosemitemike on September 10, 2024, 11:58:14 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AMFirst the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)

Okay but I don't give a shit about any of that stuff either. 

Good for you.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 04:35:40 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:43:03 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:17:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 10, 2024, 12:18:18 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 09, 2024, 11:27:10 PMBut tacos, sushi and burgers. OH NOES!

Gotta agree with Mistwell on this one. This is pretty low on my "Woke stupidity" meter. More like, this pic is just goofy, like a lot of D&D before it.

How many grains of sand make a beach?

First the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)
Next the multicolor Elves
And now this.

It's not Forgotten Realms or any other D&D setting (even if WotC says it is) It's current year Seattle.

Because you manufactured both a connection and timeline. This isn't one in a series of issues, they're all in the same book with hundreds of images which don't match that narrative. Everyone ignored the other images because they're entirely non-controversial and don't get clicks or discussion. Which is HOW EVERY CORE BOOK RELEASE FOR EVERY EDITION goes. Whatever is plain vanilla doesn't get discussed.

There is only one objection I've seen which isn't manufactured outrage. And that's Exploderwizard's reaction, that the art overall feels to him impersonal and corporate art with a fantasy overlay. That's an objection that at least makes sense and doesn't depend on pretending all the other art in the book doesn't exist and there is some connection between like 5 images total spread throughout the book with some meaning and agenda behind it all.

So, the illustrations on the PBH aren't connected in any way...

As for a timeline, there's one, the timeline when we find out about it. YOU might want to overlook THAT, but it's there nevertheless, because reality exists even if you wish it didn't.

Now please come back and explain to us all how exactly the illustrations on the PBH AREN'T connected to each other in any way shape or form.

Plus, you're also disregarding the well DOCUMENTED ideology at work in WotC. Another thread connecting it all. But I'm sure you'll find an Ad-Hoc rationalization for that too.

The illustrations are connected, but not the connection you're making because the ones you're focused on are the extreme overwhelming minority tone of the images in the book. The extreme overwhelming majority of images don't envisage anything concerning the premise you're claiming. You could much more easily support a premise that the book uses the colors white and blue for ray-like spells, which seems to be a common color pallet in the book for some reason. You could support the premise there seems to be more dragonborn images in this book than in the past. But you cannot, if you actually pick up the friggen book and look at it yourself rather than parroting some clickbait agenda, honestly support the premise that the books overall image tone is backing a woke agenda. Because it doesn't. Frankly I'd say half the illustrations are of ordinary objects and setting locations in the book with no people portrayed at all. If their goal was to make the illustrations about a woke agenda, frankly they did a terrible awful and rotten job at it. There are hundreds and hundreds of places they could have slipped such an agenda into and simply didn't. As it is you have to really blind yourself to nearly everything to pull out the tiny fragments to pretend wokism is some cohesive theme to the illustrations when it isn't.

And the timeline you "found out" about it IS ENTIRELY MANUFACTURED BY PEOPLE YOU KNOW HAVE THE SAME AGENDA AS YOU. They're cherry picking the stuff which supports your same premise, and ignoring the stuff that doesn't support that premise, and then dishing it out one image at a time literally for clickbait. Because controversy sells.

So now you're moving the goal post from there's no connection to what?

It's not the connection I'm making?

And #NotAll?

So, what's the connection I'm making Professor X?

How a I moving a goalpost? You claim I said images are not connected at all. I didn't? I said the connection you're making is manufactured. And the connection you're making is there is an overall woke agenda in the book of current year Seattle. That's a manufactured one by clickbaiters. It's not in any way an overall impression you'd get looking at this book. You can only try and pretend that's an agenda by cherry picking the 5 or so images out of hundreds in this book and making it seem like that's most of the books tone when it isn't

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 10, 2024, 06:33:58 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:43:03 PMNTIRELY MANUFACTURED BY PEOPLE YOU KNOW HAVE THE SAME AGENDA AS YOU. They're cherry picking the stuff which supports your same premise, and ignoring the stuff that doesn't support that premise, and then dishing it out one image at a time literally for clickbait. Because controversy sells.

"It's all a conspiracy theory! It's not happening! There's definitely not a hard leftist agenda in the new PHB art, even though there's gay dwarves making pastries, and good illegal-immigrant orcs, and there's literally probably more Women-of-Color in the PHB than there are women of color who play D&D in real life. And if it was happening, it would be a GOOD THING, bigot! If you don't want your game to be political indoctrination, you're the weird one!!!"

I didn't call anyone a bigot or weird nor did I imply it. I said what your motive was, and it wasn't bigotry but capitalism. You're doing it for clicks. It's a series of clickbait videos you're publishing, spreading them out like you should if you want to maximize your revenue, manufacturing whatever controversy you can pull off to get those clicks. By now I suspect you've seen the full book and know these images are not representative of the extreme majority of images in the book, but admitting that would detract from your ability to get people to click and share and subscribe and like your videos. Like any good little YouTuber.

Quote from: Mistwell on September 11, 2024, 01:09:58 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 04:35:40 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:43:03 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:17:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 10, 2024, 01:45:48 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 10, 2024, 12:18:18 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 09, 2024, 11:27:10 PMBut tacos, sushi and burgers. OH NOES!

Gotta agree with Mistwell on this one. This is pretty low on my "Woke stupidity" meter. More like, this pic is just goofy, like a lot of D&D before it.

How many grains of sand make a beach?

First the "Totally Not Mexorcs, trust us bro!"
Then the twink Dwarves in a bakery/forge (WTAFF!?)
Next the multicolor Elves
And now this.

It's not Forgotten Realms or any other D&D setting (even if WotC says it is) It's current year Seattle.

Because you manufactured both a connection and timeline. This isn't one in a series of issues, they're all in the same book with hundreds of images which don't match that narrative. Everyone ignored the other images because they're entirely non-controversial and don't get clicks or discussion. Which is HOW EVERY CORE BOOK RELEASE FOR EVERY EDITION goes. Whatever is plain vanilla doesn't get discussed.

There is only one objection I've seen which isn't manufactured outrage. And that's Exploderwizard's reaction, that the art overall feels to him impersonal and corporate art with a fantasy overlay. That's an objection that at least makes sense and doesn't depend on pretending all the other art in the book doesn't exist and there is some connection between like 5 images total spread throughout the book with some meaning and agenda behind it all.

So, the illustrations on the PBH aren't connected in any way...

As for a timeline, there's one, the timeline when we find out about it. YOU might want to overlook THAT, but it's there nevertheless, because reality exists even if you wish it didn't.

Now please come back and explain to us all how exactly the illustrations on the PBH AREN'T connected to each other in any way shape or form.

Plus, you're also disregarding the well DOCUMENTED ideology at work in WotC. Another thread connecting it all. But I'm sure you'll find an Ad-Hoc rationalization for that too.

The illustrations are connected, but not the connection you're making because the ones you're focused on are the extreme overwhelming minority tone of the images in the book. The extreme overwhelming majority of images don't envisage anything concerning the premise you're claiming. You could much more easily support a premise that the book uses the colors white and blue for ray-like spells, which seems to be a common color pallet in the book for some reason. You could support the premise there seems to be more dragonborn images in this book than in the past. But you cannot, if you actually pick up the friggen book and look at it yourself rather than parroting some clickbait agenda, honestly support the premise that the books overall image tone is backing a woke agenda. Because it doesn't. Frankly I'd say half the illustrations are of ordinary objects and setting locations in the book with no people portrayed at all. If their goal was to make the illustrations about a woke agenda, frankly they did a terrible awful and rotten job at it. There are hundreds and hundreds of places they could have slipped such an agenda into and simply didn't. As it is you have to really blind yourself to nearly everything to pull out the tiny fragments to pretend wokism is some cohesive theme to the illustrations when it isn't.

And the timeline you "found out" about it IS ENTIRELY MANUFACTURED BY PEOPLE YOU KNOW HAVE THE SAME AGENDA AS YOU. They're cherry picking the stuff which supports your same premise, and ignoring the stuff that doesn't support that premise, and then dishing it out one image at a time literally for clickbait. Because controversy sells.

So now you're moving the goal post from there's no connection to what?

It's not the connection I'm making?

And #NotAll?

So, what's the connection I'm making Professor X?

How a I moving a goalpost? You claim I said images are not connected at all. I didn't? I said the connection you're making is manufactured. And the connection you're making is there is an overall woke agenda in the book of current year Seattle. That's a manufactured one by clickbaiters. It's not in any way an overall impression you'd get looking at this book. You can only try and pretend that's an agenda by cherry picking the 5 or so images out of hundreds in this book and making it seem like that's most of the books tone when it isn't

Just gonna bold where you say that I manufactured a connection, which (to anyone with a brain) means there's none.

So you're not only moving the goalpost but lying.

Lying when we can all just scroll a little on the quote and see what you wrote.

You're way too used to not having your claims challenged.

Quote from: Mistwell on September 11, 2024, 01:13:28 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 10, 2024, 06:33:58 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on September 10, 2024, 03:43:03 PMNTIRELY MANUFACTURED BY PEOPLE YOU KNOW HAVE THE SAME AGENDA AS YOU. They're cherry picking the stuff which supports your same premise, and ignoring the stuff that doesn't support that premise, and then dishing it out one image at a time literally for clickbait. Because controversy sells.

"It's all a conspiracy theory! It's not happening! There's definitely not a hard leftist agenda in the new PHB art, even though there's gay dwarves making pastries, and good illegal-immigrant orcs, and there's literally probably more Women-of-Color in the PHB than there are women of color who play D&D in real life. And if it was happening, it would be a GOOD THING, bigot! If you don't want your game to be political indoctrination, you're the weird one!!!"

I didn't call anyone a bigot or weird nor did I imply it. I said what your motive was, and it wasn't bigotry but capitalism. You're doing it for clicks. It's a series of clickbait videos you're publishing, spreading them out like you should if you want to maximize your revenue, manufacturing whatever controversy you can pull off to get those clicks. By now I suspect you've seen the full book and know these images are not representative of the extreme majority of images in the book, but admitting that would detract from your ability to get people to click and share and subscribe and like your videos. Like any good little YouTuber.

"My God! How dare he try to make money! Shame! SHAME!!!!"

You're soo quick to defend WoTC and their products, it makes me wonder if you're a paid WoTC schill.

I swear, whenever Pundit or anyone else here gives an argument against WoTC and their obvious DEI bullshit practices, you go full-bore bukkake mode defending WoTC.

Quote from: yosemitemike on September 10, 2024, 11:58:14 PMThe claim that the sci-fi elements in Expedition to the Barrier Peaks didn't cause any pushback is just bullshit.  I was there.  It did.  I remember people talking about how it broke Greyhawk as a setting. 

And I also remember when Castle Greyhawk was published and quite a few people saying some of the same things, as far as saying it disrespected EGG on purpose.

Mistwell, just admit you were wrong.