In Nu-D&D You Will Eat the Diversity Foods

blackstone · September 12, 2024, 02:08:36 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 01:44:52 PMIs it somehow better if they stick to a "medieval authentic" European range of foodstuffs? D&D is not even trying to be medieval Europe. It has polytheism and numerous non-human peoples, and that's OK--but tacos and sushi are going too far?

No, it's lack of creativity and lazy.

Nobleshield · September 12, 2024, 02:24:18 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: Nobleshield on September 12, 2024, 12:48:22 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on September 10, 2024, 12:14:23 AMI just can't muster up any give a shit about this. Okay, hard shelled tacos are ahistorical. Most D&D campaigns aren't historical and aren't even trying to be historical. The Sword Coast in Forgotten Realms is sort of Medieval Europe. They also wanted to do fantasy conquistadors so the new world analogue was discovered and colonized about 130 years before the current time in the setting. So do they have chilis and tomatoes on the Sword Coast? Yeah. Maybe. I guess. They could. Is it historical? Not really at all. Does that matter? Forgotten Realms has never been anything like historical so not really. I might be able to muster up some give a shit if we were talking about Dark Ages Call of Cthulhu. For D&D? No.

According to Aurora's Whole Realms catalog, yes Faerun has tomatoes, and coffee, and tortillas. Pretty sure there are chiles or similar spices too (obviously imported from Maztica). The problem IMHO is there's a difference between TRYING to make foods look like they fit and saying screw it, just put modern-day food because "durr it's fantasy". Worst of all is the people claiming it's just racism because pumpkins and tomatoes don't look out of place (despite being anachronistic) but tacos, spaghetti, sushi, and hamburgers look completely off.
Is it somehow better if they stick to a "medieval authentic" European range of foodstuffs? D&D is not even trying to be medieval Europe. It has polytheism and numerous non-human peoples, and that's OK--but tacos and sushi are going too far?

Yes, tacos and sushi are too far. Because they LOOK visually out of place (same with hamburgers and spaghetti). Pumpkins and tomatoes don't look "off". Hell, the croissants don't look that out of place either and the modern croissant (which is the one in the art) isn't until the 20th century. But hamburgers, tacos that look like it's from Taco Bell, sushi looks completely wrong and breaks immersion in a way that seeing a pumpkin in what's more or less a medieval European setting doesn't.

GeekyBugle · September 12, 2024, 02:48:28 PM

Quote from: blackstone on September 12, 2024, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 11:56:07 AMDon't just say it damges the hobby; tell me how it damages the hobby--which Pundit typically claims is the actual playing of the game,

How?

When a company caters to a specific minority portion of their customers, they alienate the rest of them. The result is less customers, former customers going to other products, negative feedback vis social networks, and declining sales. A splintered fanbase also results from this as well.

Ask Disney how their DEI program has worked out. They've destroyed Star Wars and the MCU.

You see, before all of the DEI nonsense in the gaming industry, it didn't matter who you were or what you believed. The only thing that mattered was that we were gamers, period.

With the injection of DEI and political correctness, the gaming community became factionalized by the way of politics. Fucking politics. Now, according to the DEI true-believers, if you don't think or act according to what they consider "acceptable", you're not a gamer. Not only that, if you do not change your ways, you will be vilified and ridiculed via social networks.

By their criteria, I'm not a gamer.

Fuck them. I can guarantee I've been in this hobby longer than most of them have been alive.

And about everything they've said about the TTRPGs in the past are outright lies and gaslighting.

TTRPGs have ALWAYS been inclusive. It didn't matter who you were or what you believed. I've know black, Asian, gay, bi, and who knows what else when it comes to the TTRPG community going way back into the 80s.

So the whole thing about TTRPGs have only been for white guys is a myth and nothing more.

DEI and political correctness has splintered the TTRPG community and I'm not sure it will ever recover.

He KNOWS all of that, he's just doing the "Sources!?" meme.

Or maybe he doesn't know, not sure what is worst.

Wonder if he would say the same if it was propaganda from the other side being injected into the hobby.

HappyDaze · September 12, 2024, 03:08:23 PM

Quote from: Nobleshield on September 12, 2024, 02:24:18 PMin what's more or less a medieval European setting

There's your problem. D&D has not been that in a long time, and now it's just making it more obvious.

HappyDaze · September 12, 2024, 03:09:38 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 02:48:28 PMWonder if he would say the same if it was propaganda from the other side being injected into the hobby.

Give me a real example and I'll give you an answer.

GeekyBugle · September 12, 2024, 03:30:04 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Nobleshield on September 12, 2024, 02:24:18 PMin what's more or less a medieval European setting
There's your problem. D&D has not been that in a long time, and now it's just making it more obvious.

So I'm correct they have been turning it into current year Seattle and "OMG so Random!"

GeekyBugle · September 12, 2024, 03:33:07 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 02:48:28 PMWonder if he would say the same if it was propaganda from the other side being injected into the hobby.
Give me a real example and I'll give you an answer.

I don't need an example, as a Christian, Puritan and politically Conservative I don't want propaganda from MY side in my entertainment, just like I don't want leftist, libertarian, atheist, etc propaganda.

Propaganda is antithetical to Entertainment.

But you "need an example" because maybe you agree with the propaganda being injected in the hobby currently.

HappyDaze · September 12, 2024, 04:14:31 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Nobleshield on September 12, 2024, 02:24:18 PMin what's more or less a medieval European setting
There's your problem. D&D has not been that in a long time, and now it's just making it more obvious.

So I'm correct they have been turning it into current year Seattle and "OMG so Random!"

Having been to Seattle in recent history, I'm not sure why you're fixated on it, as DEI practices and even a soft emphasis on diversity are rather widespread in the USA. Perhaps saying "current day USA" would be more accurate.

HappyDaze · September 12, 2024, 04:18:42 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 02:48:28 PMWonder if he would say the same if it was propaganda from the other side being injected into the hobby.
Give me a real example and I'll give you an answer.

I don't need an example, as a Christian, Puritan and politically Conservative I don't want propaganda from MY side in my entertainment, just like I don't want leftist, libertarian, atheist, etc propaganda.

Propaganda is antithetical to Entertainment.

But you "need an example" because maybe you agree with the propaganda being injected in the hobby currently.

I only need an example if you want me to follow up on your hypothetical.

As a person that doesn't bother with personal labels, I don't have a "MY side" in this, or perhaps all of them are MY side...just often taken to extremes that I then don't agree with.

Eirikrautha · September 12, 2024, 04:37:34 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Nobleshield on September 12, 2024, 02:24:18 PMin what's more or less a medieval European setting
There's your problem. D&D has not been that in a long time, and now it's just making it more obvious.

So I'm correct they have been turning it into current year Seattle and "OMG so Random!"
Having been to Seattle in recent history, I'm not sure why you're fixated on it, as DEI practices and even a soft emphasis on diversity are rather widespread in the USA. Perhaps saying "current day USA" would be more accurate.

The idea that Seattle (a place where the infamous CHAZ occurred) is representative of "current day USA" is so ludicrous as to be almost delusional. The East and West Coasts have a few urban areas that are hyper-woke (what you refer to as DEI and "soft emphasis"), but even the suburban and rural areas on the Coasts would laugh in your face if you tried to pull a Diangelo there. It just shows how immersed in an intellectual bubble you really are (that or you are trying to gaslight readers into believing that it is more acceptable in "fly-over country", other than just in Hollywood, academia, and a few Blue cities. And RPG-makers out of Seattle, unfortunately).

HappyDaze · September 12, 2024, 04:46:02 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on September 12, 2024, 04:37:34 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Nobleshield on September 12, 2024, 02:24:18 PMin what's more or less a medieval European setting
There's your problem. D&D has not been that in a long time, and now it's just making it more obvious.

So I'm correct they have been turning it into current year Seattle and "OMG so Random!"
Having been to Seattle in recent history, I'm not sure why you're fixated on it, as DEI practices and even a soft emphasis on diversity are rather widespread in the USA. Perhaps saying "current day USA" would be more accurate.

The idea that Seattle (a place where the infamous CHAZ occurred) is representative of "current day USA" is so ludicrous as to be almost delusional. The East and West Coasts have a few urban areas that are hyper-woke (what you refer to as DEI and "soft emphasis"), but even the suburban and rural areas on the Coasts would laugh in your face if you tried to pull a Diangelo there. It just shows how immersed in an intellectual bubble you really are (that or you are trying to gaslight readers into believing that it is more acceptable in "fly-over country", other than just in Hollywood, academia, and a few Blue cities. And RPG-makers out of Seattle, unfortunately).

I can assure you that diversity efforts occur in businesses outside of the "hyper-woke" coastal areas you speak of. Perhaps it is your bubble that is the problem.

Man at Arms · September 12, 2024, 04:52:45 PM

WOTC is just pissing on D&D.

GeekyBugle · September 12, 2024, 04:57:54 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 02:48:28 PMWonder if he would say the same if it was propaganda from the other side being injected into the hobby.
Give me a real example and I'll give you an answer.

I don't need an example, as a Christian, Puritan and politically Conservative I don't want propaganda from MY side in my entertainment, just like I don't want leftist, libertarian, atheist, etc propaganda.

Propaganda is antithetical to Entertainment.

But you "need an example" because maybe you agree with the propaganda being injected in the hobby currently.
I only need an example if you want me to follow up on your hypothetical.

As a person that doesn't bother with personal labels, I don't have a "MY side" in this, or perhaps all of them are MY side...just often taken to extremes that I then don't agree with.

Too busy developing Underhill and my take on the Fae to deal with you, anyhow looks like Erikrautha has your measure.

HappyDaze · September 12, 2024, 05:11:44 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 12, 2024, 04:57:54 PManyhow looks like Erikrautha has your measure.

You mean the guy that needs a blind squirrel to help him find his own dick?

RPGPundit · September 12, 2024, 07:00:48 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 12, 2024, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 12, 2024, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 12, 2024, 05:39:24 AMLike I said, there's a real possibility that there might be more depictions of "women of color" in the PHB than there are actual women-of-color playing D&D.
Does this bother you? If so, why? If not, why mention it twice?

Because it is enormously representational of the ideological agenda driving the decisions about the game. It's propaganda, meant to damage the hobby.
Does it actually impact the play of the game? If so, how?

I can agree that it's propaganda, but as far as "meant to damage the hobby" goes, can you be more specific? How does this damage the hobby? Keeping in mind that you have pointed out a strong divide between playing the game (which you have referred to as the hobby) vs. the "lifestyle" of D&D, how does this impact playing the game?

To begin with, it suggests that the purpose of RPGs is to teach leftist indoctrination. The more people who believe this, the more damage to the hobby.