Quote from: Omega;1036361That would be me. I saw the first NewTrek and the first NewWars. Thought Trek was horrible and Wars was at least ok. But zero interest in seeing more and glad I passed on the followup movies.

I may watch The Last Jedi when it comes out on Netflix. Maybe. There might be a few ounces of rum involved. That certainly helped me through Batman vs Superman. In fact I'm pretty sure rum was the reason I decided to watch it in the first place.

Quote from: Ulairi;1036364They don't make Star Trek anymore.

I am quite liking both Orville and Discovery.

The Expanse still is better that both however. Though it's not Star Trek

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1036296Rangers are so racist in 1E AD&D that they get damage bonuses for their racism.

Dwarves are ALL racist. Every last one. Hence their combat bonuses.

Hang on. Is it racist to call an entire race racist?

Is this just silly?

What's silly is your definition of racist (and I know you're joking, but still, have to challenge it to reduce the chances that some jackass quotes you in his PhD paper.).

To be a racist, you have to have the belief of racial superiority which informs your negative actions towards a group.
Otherwise, negative actions towards a group is just bigotry, the problem with humans is, we're hardwired to be bigots, it's in our  tribal, primate nature.  The other problem with bigotry, is that as a word it has no punch, so SJW's have been redefining racism to include the other so that you can be labeled a racist for showing bigotry, and people picture you in an SS Uniform or KKK sheet.

So to look at your examples again:
Rangers are out there in the wilds, on the edge, defending their people against a never-ending tide of humanoids.  They've developed skills that make them great at killing humanoids.  Are they prejudiced against humanoids, hating them?  When taken under the context of their early appearances in D&D, Rangers had to be Good, so...maybe, maybe not.

Dwarves get combat bonuses, you could argue for the same reason, that's what they fight against.  If you pull from Tolkien sources, Dwarves certainly appear to be bigoted, if you pull from Warhammer sources, they certainly appear to be racist.

Elves of any type are really the racist ones, they believe they are better than anybody.

You say that but if you only knew what hobbits say behind our backs.

It's all "bigger" this and "bigger" that.

:eek:

Quote from: Chris24601;1036324The Expanse is better than either of them in their modern incarnations anyway.

Fixed your typo.....

Quote from: Mistwell;1036382I am quite liking both Orville and Discovery.

The Expanse still is better that both however. Though it's not Star Trek

Although years have passed, finally Mistwell and I agree on something again.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1036274I propose a rule:

First person to say orcs1 represent black people2 is a racist.

1. drow, Klingons, Kree, Ferengi, etcetera
2. Native Americans, Asians, Muslims, Jews etcetera

Muslims and Jewish people are not a race...

You win a prize if you can spell ethnoreligious.

Quote from: jeff37923;1036391Fixed your typo.....

Agreed, The Expanse beats every sci-fi show to date.

Quote from: Graewulf;1036317That's utterly laughable. Let's say my PC (and his whole party) lives in a city that is being deluged by orcs. The orc tribes have come together and united in a devoted effort to lay my city, my home, to waste. It's essentially a siege going on for years where the only enemies are orcs, so that's all I'm fighting. That makes my character a racist? Fighting for his (and the city's) survival makes him a racist? That's completely nonsensical. Would my character build up a hatred for orcs and hate them forever? Possibly, but with good reason. Did he start out that way? Not at all.

In that scenario, the PC is fighting for their life and fighting a local danger. In this case, no, the PC is not racist. However, if the orcs go home and the PC spends the rest of their life hunting down and killing orcs, out of revenge, then that crosses the line into racism/speciesm.

What if my PC is a NE Assassin that just enjoys torturing orcs to death for kicks rather than a grudge or prejudice? Is that still racist or is that okay?

Take your time answering cos I'm just going to get some dice and roll this bad boy up.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1036417What if my PC is a NE Assassin that just enjoys torturing orcs to death for kicks rather than a grudge or prejudice? Is that still racist or is that okay?

Take your time answering cos I'm just going to get some dice and roll this bad boy up.

My current character in my brother's campaign is a NE Githyanki Assassin. I got a bug up my butt to show that an evil character could be played in a group without the usual "stupid evil" tropes and using it as an excuse to be an asshole player.
I modeled the character heavily on Garak from Deep Space 9, and the concept of the outcast badguy who has to get along with the good guys because he need allies to help survive.

Quote from: Omega;1036361That would be me. I saw the first NewTrek and the first NewWars. Thought Trek was horrible and Wars was at least ok. But zero interest in seeing more and glad I passed on the followup movies.

I passed on all the SW movies after the first 6 (no matter how you number them), and have watched maybe one Trek movies and some series. No plans on continuing:).

Quote from: CRKrueger;1036383So to look at your examples again:
Rangers are out there in the wilds, on the edge, defending their people against a never-ending tide of humanoids.  They've developed skills that make them great at killing humanoids.  Are they prejudiced against humanoids, hating them?  When taken under the context of their early appearances in D&D, Rangers had to be Good, so...maybe, maybe not.

Last I remember from the rules, Rangers were good at killing stuff they've practiced hunting. There were also rules on what can be chosen to be Favoured Enemy, and studying them was called as a requisite to choosing a new type of Favoured Enemy.

QuoteDwarves get combat bonuses, you could argue for the same reason, that's what they fight against.  If you pull from Tolkien sources, Dwarves certainly appear to be bigoted, if you pull from Warhammer sources, they certainly appear to be racist.

I remember the phrase "ancestral combat techniques" from the rules explanation. Since when is that racist;)?

QuoteElves of any type are really the racist ones, they believe they are better than anybody.

No argument there:D!

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1036417What if my PC is a NE Assassin that just enjoys torturing orcs to death for kicks rather than a grudge or prejudice? Is that still racist or is that okay?

Take your time answering cos I'm just going to get some dice and roll this bad boy up.

Just Orcs? Yep, racist.

Does it other kinds of creature? Not racist.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1036417What if my PC is a NE Assassin that just enjoys torturing orcs to death for kicks rather than a grudge or prejudice? Is that still racist or is that okay?

Take your time answering cos I'm just going to get some dice and roll this bad boy up.

Sociopathy is always 'OK', as long as it's not racist.