Quote from: Kiero;1036279The Athenian plague only affected one city. The bubonic plague (which includes the Plague of Justinian, it was just another wave of the same thing) wiped out about a third of the population. Not over 90%.

Losing a third of your population is damaging (and can spark revolutions and major societal change), but is survivable. Losing 90%+ is crippling, that's civilisation-collapse level of loss, which is what was experienced by the civilisations in the Americas.

Well the Aztecs would have ripped the hearts out of all those people at some point anyway, dying of smallpox was a far less horrific way to go, IMO.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1036288None of this is relevant to the point of comparison. Obsessing over a point of dissimilarity when somebody compares two things that have a point of similarity doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

They weren't the same, which is what you purported. They weren't anything like the same, Alexander and Xerxes weren't kicking around the ruins of already-devastated civilisations, their opponents were still vital and very much in the fight.

The "point of similarity" as you call it are so distant from each other as to be a point of dissimilarity. The Spanish rolled over the Americas with ease because most of the people they might have fought were already dead. Alexander and Xerxes didn't have that luxury.

This is the population of central Mexico:



Sharp fall, which it never really recovers from.

This is the population of the "Greek" part of Europe:



The Athenian plague doesn't even feature (probably too difficult to estimate on that scale), the Justinian plague causes a dip, the next round of bubonic plague another sharp fall, but every time the numbers recover and overshoot where they were.

Quote from: soltakss;1036294Probably right.

If all you do in a game is kill a certain type of creature, then your PC is probably racist, as the PC discriminates against that creature, acts differently around that creature and probably ticks all the racist boxes, when racism is broadened to inlcude different creatures. Even if you have a religious or social duty to so it, that would still count.

It probably doesn't make the player racist but the PC, sure.

Now, the question perhaps shouldn't be "Does this make the PC racist?" but "Does it matter?" If I play a racist, is that particularly wrong? If an actor plays a racist character, is the actor wrong? To me, it is the same thing. Now, if I played a racist PC in every game I played, then I would have a problem as a player/person, but playing the occasional racist is not an issue, in the same way that playing a mass murderer, thief, hooligan or whatever is a problem.

That's utterly laughable. Let's say my PC (and his whole party) lives in a city that is being deluged by orcs. The orc tribes have come together and united in a devoted effort to lay my city, my home, to waste. It's essentially a siege going on for years where the only enemies are orcs, so that's all I'm fighting. That makes my character a racist? Fighting for his (and the city's) survival makes him a racist? That's completely nonsensical. Would my character build up a hatred for orcs and hate them forever? Possibly, but with good reason. Did he start out that way? Not at all.

All of this overthinking and over analyzing over a FICTIONAL GAME and trying to compare it to or make it assimilate current social politics and trends is an utter waste of time and totally irrelevant. SJWs need to find something else to do or keep their nonsense to themselves. Nobody cares about your little crusade to make everyone think like you.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1036281People still argue on the internet about Star Wars versus Star Trek.  *shrug*

And that's fine. I just think we should recognize that that is what this is. Everyone's sudden focus on SJW-ism or whatnot did not create this, it has been around since the beginning of the game. And I don't know the Enworld commentor, nor whether they truly believe what they say, but their actions are identical to a (likes-to-hit-hornets-nests-with-sticks style) troll who would laugh their asses off if they knew their post could cause catalepsy on not one, but two message boards.

Quote from: Krimson;1036285You should see the look on their faces when you tell them you haven't seen the latest movies nor have any intention of watching them.

The Orville is better than either of them in their modern incarnations anyway.

Quote from: Chris24601;1036324The Orville is better than either of them in their modern incarnations anyway.

I agree, not even joking.

All my D&D characters hate D&D elves because I hate D&D elves. I'm ok with orcs though. Some of my best friends ate in a half-orc restaurant once.

Quote from: Chris24601;1036324The Orville is better than either of them in their modern incarnations anyway.

I have no intention of watching that either.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1036346I agree, not even joking.

I think I like Orville better than STNG seasons 1 & 2! STNG season 3 was great though (Yesterday's Enterprise made me a Trek fan).

Quote from: JeremyR;1036208The way to combat this is to point out that orcs are essentially Neanderthals and thus white people, therefore according to SJWs, it's okay to kill them, as white people are the only evil in this world.

Orcs are cockney brits.

Quote from: S'mon;1036349I think I like Orville better than STNG seasons 1 & 2! STNG season 3 was great though (Yesterday's Enterprise made me a Trek fan).

STNG season one was bad enough that I essentially stopped watching Star Trek. No STNG, I lost it when they remade "The Changeling" yet again for the first episode, no DS(, a little Voyager, no movies after ST IV.  The new Trek movies are kind of fun. They are actually more like TOS than I think most people care to admit.

As for killing Orcs being racist, only if killing Chimpanzees in our world is racist. Orcs are an entirely different species (in my D&D worlds not even on the same family tree as humans).

Everyone who ever played any fantasy game is a racist!

So what? Who cares?

Don't argue with these fucks. Mock them without mercy.

Quote from: Krimson;1036285You should see the look on their faces when you tell them you haven't seen the latest movies nor have any intention of watching them.

That would be me. I saw the first NewTrek and the first NewWars. Thought Trek was horrible and Wars was at least ok. But zero interest in seeing more and glad I passed on the followup movies.

Quote from: soltakss;1036294Probably right.

If all you do in a game is kill a certain type of creature, then your PC is probably racist, as the PC discriminates against that creature, acts differently around that creature and probably ticks all the racist boxes, when racism is broadened to inlcude different creatures. Even if you have a religious or social duty to so it, that would still count.

If said race is constantly trying to wipe you off the map then sorry No. That is not being racist. That is defending yourself.

Quote from: Chris24601;1036324The Orville is better than either of them in their modern incarnations anyway.

They don't make Star Trek anymore.