Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 26, 2024, 10:27:17 PMThe only way we'll survive is by waging a Butlerian Jihad against machines and the machine attitudes that led anyone to thinking automating art was ever a good idea.

Can we set up a concentration camp in Oklahoma?  I don't want to be too far from my family.  :-)

Oh, the answer key since the spoiler tag thing is not working.

A. Human created (Nick will be amused that some of you thought he was an AI hallucination)
B. Human created
C. Human created
D. Human created
E. Human created (super cute Snooki girl, an Anatolian Shepherd)
F. Human created

But as mentioned before, a better test would be topics that you would see in a game book.  I'm on vacation next week.  I'll see if I can do better and have an mix of human and AI images for an actual test.

If you're up-front about the use of AI, it should be fine. Most people care more about the actual quality of the writing if they're using it for a session. It's fine if a small company/creator uses AI art because they don't have the funds for an artist, what irks me is big multi-million companies pushing out slop so they can hoard more of the profits for themselves instead of paying for good art.

Also, what the hell is with this thread and some of the others on the forum suggesting only conservative artists will get fucked over by AI art? If conservative consumers/companies don't want to buy from liberal artists, they can just get AI art instead. Corporations don't care about politics, they care about their bottom line.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on December 24, 2024, 09:52:18 PM

Quote from: StoneDev on December 22, 2024, 03:52:05 AMI don't care if people use AI personally and I agree that being politically left for whatever that matters. I think more importantly AI art is leading to the death of trash art, which I love. MorkBorgs entire aesthetic is aping the art of a 16 year olds school notebook and it is applauded for its art. If you cant afford to pay for art I say just do your own and let it be terrible. It will be filled with soul and people will see it.

You know, "apeing the style of a 16-year old's notebook" doesn't make the art bad.  I can't afford an artist, either, so I made my own art.  I purposely chose an old-school fan-made RPG style, where the art was made by an enthusiastic teenager who has some skills, but lacks discipline.  I don't think that means that the art is axiomatically bad.

Im not sure your getting that I love that and think its the coolest shit ever. I wouldn't say its high art or particularly high skilled though. I do think your work will be great if thats what you do, I love it.

Quote from: MoFoCThat on December 27, 2024, 05:49:42 AMIf you're up-front about the use of AI, it should be fine. Most people care more about the actual quality of the writing if they're using it for a session. It's fine if a small company/creator uses AI art because they don't have the funds for an artist, what irks me is big multi-million companies pushing out slop so they can hoard more of the profits for themselves instead of paying for good art.

Also, what the hell is with this thread and some of the others on the forum suggesting only conservative artists will get fucked over by AI art? If conservative consumers/companies don't want to buy from liberal artists, they can just get AI art instead. Corporations don't care about politics, they care about their bottom line.

You don't care about leftist artists losing their jobs, so crying "what about conservative artists?" seems more convincing. Didn't conservatives make a big stink about coal miners being fired and told "learn to code"? Where's your worker solidarity now?

Automating creativity is terrible for humanity, but conservatives seem to be cheering it to "own the libs!" and "so pretty!" You vote to remove regulations on corpos, then cry foul when they hoard wealth and use AI to replace the human workforce.

It's almost like political worldviews aren't based on any consistent value system, but based purely on shallow tribalistic faddish bullshit.

Honestly? AI is a bloated energy, water, and raw materials hog consuming far more than it will ever produce in value.

The only thing presently keeping it afloat is government grants and investors suckered in by the same sort of promises made about VR and every other "paradigm altering" technology in the last two decades that will inevitably fail to deliver as soon as the subsidies run out and the investors start asking where all the money they were promised is.

AI is presently only cheap for the end user because of the costs that are being covered by subsidies and tax deferments. As soon as you have to fully cover the costs of the energy, water use, infrastructure costs, financing of the data centers, paychecks of the support teams, and deprecation of the hardware it's going to not be nearly as cost effective as the public is being led to believe.

My hunch is AI will basically plateau when the subsidies and investor money runs out, then contract into whatever areas might actually be able to turn a profit on their own (mostly government surveillance because they don't care how much it actually costs to operate).

AI turns out to be very useful in hard sciences. It's caused a revolution in materials science, medicine, and pharmaceuticals, among others, but that's not the sort of thing that grabs eyeballs.

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 27, 2024, 11:17:13 AMHonestly? AI is a bloated energy, water, and raw materials hog consuming far more than it will ever produce in value.

Indirectly AI will result in our return to Nuclear energy which is clean and plentiful and far safer than most people suspect. Facebook is reopening 3 mile island to power their AI needs, others are talking about building small nuke plants. When word gets out the left *may* turn on Ai (despite nuclear being the environmentalists dream) because most of the left has communist-spawned anti-nuke in their ideological DNA.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 27, 2024, 10:21:34 AMYou don't care about leftist artists losing their jobs, so crying "what about conservative artists?" seems more convincing. Didn't conservatives make a big stink about coal miners being fired and told "learn to code"? Where's your worker solidarity now?

Automating creativity is terrible for humanity, but conservatives seem to be cheering it to "own the libs!" and "so pretty!" You vote to remove regulations on corpos, then cry foul when they hoard wealth and use AI to replace the human workforce.

It's almost like political worldviews aren't based on any consistent value system, but based purely on shallow tribalistic faddish bullshit.

That is a very good point.  AI is useful, and it will put artists out of work, and it isn't something to relish.  But AI is an example of technological advances affecting the workforce.  In contrast, Biden shutting down the coal mines, and the flippant "learn to code" response, is based on government interfering with commerce, making unavailable a product that is in demand, that everyone wants, that is essential to make life work.  All this, to advance a political agenda.

The difference is between sabotaging an industry and the latent adversity of our own innovating.

Quote from: Opaopajr on December 22, 2024, 11:15:04 PMHint: tracing is not a sin and a shame. You're not a pro artist; you just need to convey your ideas out of your head into a shape recognizable by others. Go get a light box and trace out *enough* of the AI reference and then finish up the piece with your touch.

Jesus Christ this term needs to die in Hell!

Using references is NOT "tracing" you absolute fucking morons!

I don't hate it. I would prefer art from a person though.  I do understand wanting to utilize it if you can not afford an artist.

Quote from: Sqeek McDohl on December 22, 2024, 12:29:47 AMI've been working on making AI art to fill a TTRPG book I wrote, given I cant afford to pay for art, and have been worried if people will hate my game for using it.

But then that train of thought got me thinking: I've only ever seen complaining about AI art coming from the extreme left crowd, and they already hate my game due to its subject matter. So, if we made a Venn diagram of the two groups, is it just a single circle?

I guess I'm just curious how widespread the violent anti-AI art sentiment is within the hobby, especially towards people who are genuinely too poor to afford buying art.

I'm not "against it" in an ethical sense, I just think it's not art, by definition, and it does nothing for me, so I won't purchase a book using it.

As to how I lean, well, I think the concept of taking a million completely unrelated social, economic, and legal issues and dividing them arbitrarily into two piles like a shitty cable package deal is frankly retarded, so I guess you could call me the excluded middle.

Me and my daughter had some fun generating it for our dnd sessions. I cannot cool art on my own. I don't think wotc or paizo need to do it though.

The problem is, corpos are gonna use it to hurt workers. This is unavoidable. If they can't profit from it, and it looks like this is the case with a coming bubble burst, then they'll let it die. You might still be able to run gen apps on your computer, but it won't be feasible to train them to the degree that big models got.

I'm indifferent. It comes down to me not giving a shit, and not wanting to find yet another fucking thing to whine about.