If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......

Jam The MF · November 21, 2021, 08:16:05 PM

As a form of penance for my transgressions, I have also ordered the Blueholme Prentice Rules; because I have no prior experience with any form of BX. I need to see how that compares to Original D&D, via White Box - Fantastic Medieval Adventure Game.

Shasarak · November 21, 2021, 10:06:50 PM

Quote from: The Spaniard on November 21, 2021, 01:38:05 PM
I never understood spending hard earned money with a business that obviously hates you. There are plenty of good ideas and products out there offered by people who don't.

I never pay them with hard earned money when I can use Ardern bucks. Pass them along as fast as you can before they lose all value.

jeff37923 · November 22, 2021, 01:34:27 AM

As penance, I used to mail them to the Trove. Now I just don't spend money on them, I borrow them, read, and laugh.

(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

TheSHEEEP · November 22, 2021, 03:34:25 AM

Quote from: mudbanks on November 20, 2021, 06:20:28 PM
I'll still get a copy (in whatever form is cheapest) if I really want the game. Unlike the insane far-left that will boycott everything they don't agree with, I can separate the art from the artist.

Same here.
I'm not going to abstain from an enjoyable experience just because I disagree with the creator (or one of the creators) on something political.
Wouldn't serve any purpose, either, as the number of people doing that are so low they practically never make any kind of difference.
If purchasing a product that someone was involved with who you don't like for some reason makes you feel bad, well... do what you gotta do, I guess. But it really just sounds petty to me.

It's different when the politics parts I disagree with become a major focus of the product, of course.
But then it wouldn't be an "enjoyable experience" for me anymore, either, so I wouldn't want to purchase it to begin with.

GeekyBugle · November 22, 2021, 12:29:03 PM

Quote from: Omega on November 21, 2021, 08:13:06 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 21, 2021, 03:52:48 AM
Au contraire, start singing the praises of said book. And mix the praises with right wing talking points or better yet Images/gifs.

That might send The Mob after them, because to them if some terribad person follows you/likes your stuff/re-tweets/etc it must mean you're also a terribad person.

Do not use their own vile tactics. They do this to people, and eachother. The minute we start doing it they will use it as ammo and "proof". Not to mention it just drags us down to their degraded level. Let them eat their own.

Doing what I proposed isn't me using their tactics, it's me knowing how they will react and letting them eat each other.

Make them live under their own rules. Until we understand that this must be done we stand ZERO chance of ever winning back our culture/freedoms.

BoxCrayonTales · November 22, 2021, 03:02:39 PM

I regret it, feel sad for a while, and then move on without ever patronizing them ever again. This applies to other products like video games and books too. If I feel particularly offended then I might hold a grudge against them forever.

Spinachcat · November 22, 2021, 06:05:19 PM

Vote with your dollars and your feet, because every purchase counts.

Yes, it's a drop in the bucket...but have you ever seen the rain fill a bucket?

More importantly, it's about taking a personal stand in a culture which increasingly hates and spits upon those with "wrongthink". It's a point of self-respect to say NO whether it's to a food company, a tech company, Hollywood or a game designer.

Quote from: Jam The MF on November 20, 2021, 05:20:53 PMI have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.

Used books via eBay or Amazon sellers. You get the product and the author gets nothing.

Or wayward PDFs floating in the darker ethers of the magical interwebs.

But I'm now at the point of not running any games from the woke freaks because beyond not giving them my money, I refuse to give them my time in promotion of their brand.

rytrasmi · November 22, 2021, 07:45:01 PM

They don't want you to buy their stuff? Buy it and cut out the pages of woke nanny state x-card bullshit. Make sure to let them know because it will piss them off. If you're moved by the argument that you're financially supporting the enemy, offset that with a donation to a good cause.

Omega · November 24, 2021, 08:20:42 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on November 22, 2021, 01:34:27 AM(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.

jeff37923 · November 24, 2021, 10:15:58 AM

Quote from: Omega on November 24, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on November 22, 2021, 01:34:27 AM(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.

I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.

David Johansen · November 24, 2021, 11:29:19 PM

You're fighting for a world that fears and hates you, you are the D&D Men.

GeekyBugle · November 25, 2021, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on November 24, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 24, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on November 22, 2021, 01:34:27 AM(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.

I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.

Edited because I'm becoming a boomer and no longer know how to do the whole quote-response thing.

Are those same suggestions applicable to Cepheus Engine? Meaning do they need to change the same stuff?

DocJones · November 25, 2021, 11:31:15 AM

Quote from: Pat on November 20, 2021, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: SHARK on November 20, 2021, 07:55:30 PM
I'm a firm believer in keeping the Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand.

I have my King James Bible, and a sweet, sweet AR-15, with plenty of ammunition ready to go.

That way, when I am out in the wilderness amidst Nature, I can preach the Word of the Lord to the lost as I go hunting.
Bambi and his mom appreciate the to-hit penalty you take for wielding a longarm with one hand!

So you're saying I'm doing it wrong?

jeff37923 · November 25, 2021, 12:10:58 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 25, 2021, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on November 24, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 24, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on November 22, 2021, 01:34:27 AM(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.

Are those same suggestions applicable to Cepheus Engine? Meaning do they need to change the same stuff?
I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.

I've bolded what I think is GeekyBugle's question, but I'm a little confused by its placement.

The suggestions do not apply to Cepheus Engine, in fact one of them is why Cepheus Engine exists in the first place. When it looked like the TAS licensing Mongoose wanted was going to jeopardize the IP rights of all of the Third Party products created for Mongoose Traveller 1e, playtesters and publishers pointed out that Mongoose Publishing was going to be creating the same relationship that formed between WotC and Paizo when they did this. TAS was implemented and Cepheus Engine came into being as a result - without the problems of MGT 2e that were pointed out.

GeekyBugle · November 25, 2021, 12:42:57 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on November 25, 2021, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 25, 2021, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on November 24, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 24, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on November 22, 2021, 01:34:27 AM(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.

Are those same suggestions applicable to Cepheus Engine? Meaning do they need to change the same stuff?
I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.

I've bolded what I think is GeekyBugle's question, but I'm a little confused by its placement.

The suggestions do not apply to Cepheus Engine, in fact one of them is why Cepheus Engine exists in the first place. When it looked like the TAS licensing Mongoose wanted was going to jeopardize the IP rights of all of the Third Party products created for Mongoose Traveller 1e, playtesters and publishers pointed out that Mongoose Publishing was going to be creating the same relationship that formed between WotC and Paizo when they did this. TAS was implemented and Cepheus Engine came into being as a result - without the problems of MGT 2e that were pointed out.

Yes, that was the question, I'm turning into a boomer...