Quote from: Nemesis on November 13, 2020, 10:37:21 AM
Shouldn't this thread belong in "The RPGPundit's Own Forum"?

No, it's related to an issue in the gaming hobby.

Quote from: Hawkwing7423 on November 13, 2020, 03:35:46 PM

Quote from: ponta1010 on November 13, 2020, 02:35:44 PM


I'll blame them and their thinking for a lot of things, but I really can't lay Covid-19 at the SJW's door. 

Um, yes we can. It should be treated like other pandemics, such as Asian Flu 1957, Hong Kong Flu 1968. This scamdemic has been used to push mail in ballots and break small businesses, and generally to try to force the population to listen to authoritarian dictates out of fear.

We should not be quarantining the healthy. Elderly and immunocompromised should be taking special precautions. Herd immunity is what we must get to.

This post is off-topic. Do not post off-topic subjects in this thread. If you do this again you will be banned.

Quote from: Mercurius on November 13, 2020, 05:35:21 PM
Good video. I like your points about mythological vs. postmodern narrative.

Thank you!

Quote from: Spinachcat on November 13, 2020, 09:00:25 PM
I honestly don't know how we discuss this topic in the Main Forum without violating RPGPundit's rules regarding politics on the main page.

It's very simple: keep it on the subject of the RPG hobby. You can talk about any political issues as long as it is how those political issues apply or are being manifested IN THE GAMING HOBBY. You can't switch to talking about these issues OUTSIDE the gaming hobby.

Quote from: Nemesis on November 13, 2020, 10:37:21 AM
Shouldn't this thread belong in "The RPGPundit's Own Forum"?

No. It passes the test for this forum

It is game-related. And the even stricter test: If there were no RPGs, the question wouldn't exist. 

On an unrelated note, what if there were no rhetorical questions.

What to do if there is no one of your ethnicity in the environment? Sure, you could play a white person in a sub-Saharan African campaign but there couldn't be many or you would be playing, shudder, colonials.

Or what if you were playing in my Silk Road campaign. Of course, a Chinese person could play a Han and a Japanese person could play someone from the Nine Pearls. It is even possible to play a European, a Persian, an Arab or a Black African. But that would mean that the player-characters would all be from the edges of the map. The middle of the map is Tocharians (extinct), Sakas (long gone) Toriks (fictional speakers of a Turkic language) and Sarmatians (gone) Can nobody play them?

Or my pseudo-Europe. Does anyone identify as a Mothi or a Shan?

Simple.

The next stage will be that you are not allowed to even buy or play games of a race you are not unless your race is supported. Not handicapped? Cant play that either? Handicapped? Cant play a normal person. Nope. Nada. Verboten.

Segregation lives. And everyone supporting it needs to die.

I think the whole idea of 'setting' is anathema to a lot of these people anyway.  Too restrictive to the pure vision of the player. So it's probably seen as a win that it makes historical games basically unworkable.

After all if I'm running an ancient Rome game you won't be able to play your anthropomorphic pigeon warforged gunslinger.  It's outright tyranny for one player to tell another what they can play!

TJS nailed something here.

Setting doesn't matter because the setting and the GM exist ONLY for player wish fulfillment. They gather round the table and the GM jerks them off while they imagine the amazing adventures of their Cyborg Pigeon six-shooting its way through Rome.

They're called Adventure Paths for a reason.

Since my table is all old "privileged" white guys, we don't worry about any of this crap.
We do enjoy our gaming conventions though and worry about being "excommunicated" one of these years. 

Also, I don't game for an audience. It's just for my game groups.

I think the GM in this case invited a lot of trouble by having a live audience. You can never predict what a live audience will do. Or really what effect they will have on the activity at hand.

Even the convention games I run tend to be in private rooms. Instead of being out in the wild.

Quote from: DocJones on November 15, 2020, 07:19:40 PMWe do enjoy our gaming conventions though and worry about being "excommunicated" one of these years.

I suspect that non-SJWs will need their own conventions sooner than later.

Whenever conventions happen again, I suspect D&D Twatter will demand "new rules" from Origins and GenCon that will swiftly become "the new normal" at any regional convention where the SJW crowd are either in charge, or can threaten the organizers into submission.

You will kneel, you will obey, or you won't attend.

...and just like Parler arose, so will an alternate game convention option rise.

Quote from: Spinachcat on November 15, 2020, 06:38:09 PM
TJS nailed something here.

Setting doesn't matter because the setting and the GM exist ONLY for player wish fulfillment. They gather round the table and the GM jerks them off while they imagine the amazing adventures of their Cyborg Pigeon six-shooting its way through Rome.

They're called Adventure Paths for a reason.

Now I'm confused. I thought the point/argument was that you couldn't play a Cyborg Pigeon unless you were one.  So I'll just remove that section from your post to leave

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They gather round the table and the GM jerks them off while they imagine the amazingadventures of their Cyborg Pigeon six-shooting its way through Rome.

Now I understand what the problem is.....

Quote from: jhkim on November 13, 2020, 05:47:54 PM
I haven't been able to find posts from those originally expressing criticism of Mercer's casting, though. It was frustrating to me that Pundit didn't post to what he was talking about - but from your link, Matt and Chris do the same thing, not linking to who they're speaking about. I guess it's just the norm for Internet discussion these days, but it runs against my preferences.

It's the norm here because The Pundit is just lazy. It's the norm elsewhere because many sites now consider sharing #Tweets to be brigading/harassment unless the poster has over some arbitrary number of followers. In general it's becoming far more difficult to hold people accountable or know what the rules even are.

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But since you're curious:

🎲 Daniel Kwan, of Asians Represent, best known for trying to shove Oriental Adventures down the memory hole. They wrote the Chinese history section of the game in question. They believe 'white people' shouldn't play Chinese characters without a lot of time and preparation.

🎲 Sara Thompson, creator of the combat wheelchair, who is not confined to a wheelchair, and thinks all doorways in D&D should be 5'. They were more than happy when Matt Mercer shared their invention with his followers despite also not being confined to a wheelchair. They believe 'white people' shouldn't play Chinese characters at all.

🎲 Haley Kugler, a 'literally who' Sara felt important enough to reference in their statemen above. They believe 'white people' playing Chinese characters is digital yellow face.

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And my takeaways are the following:

🎲 Radical #SJWs like Chris, Ajit, and Matt are now being replaced by even more radical members of the very culture they helped create, which at this point is dominated by clout chasing narcissists, neurotics, and the occasional sociopath. They did not eliminate the toxic elements when they had the chance, and now it's too late.

🎲 These next gen #SJWs have successfully silenced a #POC from running the game they wrote, and created chilling effects which will prevent others (esp 'white people') from playing it, which may in fact be their goal.

🎲 Both Daniel and Sara turned on the very people who paid for and promoted their work, fully demonstrating that not only is appeasing them not enough, but getting them directly involved will only make you more vulnerable, not less, regardless of how marginalized you are.

I am quite taken aback by these people making their business of what strangers can and cannot do at their (private) TTRPG where they are not players. I also wonder which Daniel Kwan is allowed to have a not Chinese first name since he feels than genetic heritage is so important to determine what a person is allowed to do. This Kind of cultural appropriation should not be tolerated  .