So yeah, I may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular. It's a little twitstorm right now, I'm afraid. Am I the only one thinking she comes across as fake?
I've been accused of gatekeeping and whatnot. Is this where we are now?
EDIT changed spelling of 'populair' to 'popular'
Who? And who cares?
The thing is, should we have gatekept more?
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on December 14, 2022, 03:48:12 PMI may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular.
I can't say I know who that is, but people in the public eye are sometimes a little behind the times in discovering they like something popular. It doesn't mean their liking for it is necessarily faked purely for audience-performance purposes. She may be coming across as studied and awkward, but people do, sometimes, even when being sincere.
Now that doesn't mean you're wrong, either. Maybe it is a bandwagon jump. But the problem with being a public celebrity of any degree is that people will have this kind of skepticism about
anything done in one's public persona. Granting people the benefit of the doubt where possible is seldom a bad idea, I find.
Ginni Di makes videos on YouTube. I think about cosplay and 5E.
The question, is her advice sound?
Quote from: Ruprecht on December 14, 2022, 04:26:18 PM
Ginni Di makes videos on YouTube. I think about cosplay and 5E.
The question, is her advice sound?
That's a different question from Kerstmanneke82's original post, where the question is "Is she fake?" She could give bad advice and not be a good DM, but still be genuine. There are a lot of bad DMs out there.
I just looked up her Youtube. She started making fantasy cosplay videos about 7 years ago, and started making D&D videos about 4 years ago. That doesn't seem that odd to me. I've known a few other young women who are into both cosplay and D&D.
My point is she could be an actor who never heard of D&D and I don't think it matter if whomever wrote the script knows what they are talking about.
Greetings!
I've watched Ginny Di's YouTube videos for a few years now. She's sweet, cute, and funny. I certainly don't agree with her on everything, but she seems cool and sincere. Basically a nice, sweet, chirpy gamer girl.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Who the fuck is Ginny Di and why should people care?
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on December 14, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
So yeah, I may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular. It's a little twitstorm right now, I'm afraid. Am I the only one thinking she comes across as fake?
Most people on youtube come across as fake. 90% of the stuff I get reccomended on my feed is clickbaity garbage.
Quote from: jeff37923 on December 14, 2022, 11:42:39 PM
Who the fuck is Ginny Di and why should people care?
A girl into costuming and then got into D&D and does videos about it. DM advice, player advice. Ideas for combining costuming with RPGs and also just normal gaming stuff like painting minis.
Her vids are well made overall and while I do not agree with some advice or some viewpoints, I think she is doing ok with it so far.
To the OP. No she does not come across as fake. She has been doing RPG vids for like 4 years now? Is anyone new to RPGing now going to be called fake?
Though in all fairness what made you think she was not legit? Mercer comes across as less legit than this gal? The celebrity that did the Evermore tour came across as very fake in comparison.
Quote from: jeff37923 on December 14, 2022, 11:42:39 PM
Who the fuck is Ginny Di and why should people care?
That question should probably be spray painted on an overpass somewhere.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 15, 2022, 12:53:43 AM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on December 14, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
So yeah, I may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular. It's a little twitstorm right now, I'm afraid. Am I the only one thinking she comes across as fake?
Most people on youtube come across as fake. 90% of the stuff I get reccomended on my feed is clickbaity garbage.
Clickbait is an online cancer.
"Gamer girl" fishing for simps? Is it simping if you watch her stuff and she receives money from Youtube for it?
Anyhow, never heard of her before now so nevermind..
Most 5E fans come across as fake. There's too many flipping grifters when it comes to 5E.
This thread reminds me: remember the "fake geek girl" hysteria? Some geeks (some older dudes but also some younger women) posted their hatred of so-called geek girls who apparent cosplayed just to show off or something. That was one of the first SJW gamer online explosions. Of course all the SJWs instantly "forgot" that some women had been posting about this and presented it as solely as men attacking innocent women.
Quote from: jeff37923 on December 14, 2022, 11:42:39 PM
Who the fuck is Ginny Di and why should people care?
This... I've no idea who she is, really. I saw one of her vids and I turned it off after about 10 seconds. Not my cuppa'.
I think a lot of DnD celebs are fake as shit - Especially if and when they start e-begging.
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on December 14, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
So yeah, I may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular. It's a little twitstorm right now, I'm afraid. Am I the only one thinking she comes across as fake?
I've been accused of gatekeeping and whatnot. Is this where we are now?
EDIT changed spelling of 'populair' to 'popular'
I actually have some experience of this woman in that my partner has interacted with her. My partner is a cosplayer, I know there are a lot of fake geek girls in cosplay but my partner is perfectly normal and likes pen and paper RPGs just as I do. Giny personally gave her some advice to help her with the Tik Tok and instagram algorithms and produce better content. It was really detailed and informative advice too. She went to a lot of effort to help my partner. And we were both very grateful for it. I can't tell you whether she's fake but she did a good thing for my partner which she really didn't have to do. We've both interacted with actual fake geek girls and they've always been dreadful narcissists and very unpleasant to be around. Especially at cons. I didn't get that vibe from Ginny at all. She seemed alright. So I think she's genuine.
Quote from: King Tyranno on December 15, 2022, 09:43:29 AM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on December 14, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
So yeah, I may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular. It's a little twitstorm right now, I'm afraid. Am I the only one thinking she comes across as fake?
I've been accused of gatekeeping and whatnot. Is this where we are now?
EDIT changed spelling of 'populair' to 'popular'
I actually have some experience of this woman in that my partner has interacted with her. My partner is a cosplayer, I know there are a lot of fake geek girls in cosplay but my partner is perfectly normal and likes pen and paper RPGs just as I do. Giny personally gave her some advice to help her with the Tik Tok and instagram algorithms and produce better content. It was really detailed and informative advice too. She went to a lot of effort to help my partner. And we were both very grateful for it. I can't tell you whether she's fake but she did a good thing for my partner which she really didn't have to do. We've both interacted with actual fake geek girls and they've always been dreadful narcissists and very unpleasant to be around. Especially at cons. I didn't get that vibe from Ginny at all. She seemed alright. So I think she's genuine.
Well tbf, from this interaction she seems to be alright. So maybe she's cool...
Quote from: King Tyranno on December 15, 2022, 09:43:29 AM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on December 14, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
So yeah, I may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular. It's a little twitstorm right now, I'm afraid. Am I the only one thinking she comes across as fake?
I've been accused of gatekeeping and whatnot. Is this where we are now?
EDIT changed spelling of 'populair' to 'popular'
I actually have some experience of this woman in that my partner has interacted with her. My partner is a cosplayer, I know there are a lot of fake geek girls in cosplay but my partner is perfectly normal and likes pen and paper RPGs just as I do. Giny personally gave her some advice to help her with the Tik Tok and instagram algorithms and produce better content. It was really detailed and informative advice too. She went to a lot of effort to help my partner. And we were both very grateful for it. I can't tell you whether she's fake but she did a good thing for my partner which she really didn't have to do. We've both interacted with actual fake geek girls and they've always been dreadful narcissists and very unpleasant to be around. Especially at cons. I didn't get that vibe from Ginny at all. She seemed alright. So I think she's genuine.
That´s commendable behavior in my books, respect!
What would fake be? Doesn't actually like D&D?
No, it's pretty clear that she likes (modern) D&D. She is primarily a cosplayer, and for her D&D is partially a vehicle for her cosplay. And she doesn't like the same kind of D&D most of us here do. And I don't quite understand why some guys seem infatuated with her. But she definitely seems to genuinely like D&D.
So no, AFAICS, not fake.
Edit: Here's her most recent video
- that's not a fake geek, that's just a different kind of geek from most of us. ;D
Quote from: jeff37923 on December 14, 2022, 11:42:39 PM
Who the fuck is Ginny Di and why should people care?
If its 'who' I think it is she used to be part of "Not Literally" productions - they made fun geeky music videos and posted them to YouTube. The topics were Harry Potter, Doctor Who, and Game of Thrones.
Then she went 'solo' 4 or 5 years ago and I remember she and her boyfriend were posting 'how to' cokking segemts from the 'Dungeons & Dragons Cookbook' two or three years ago.
-Ed C.
Quote from: S'mon on December 16, 2022, 03:43:38 AM
What would fake be? Doesn't actually like D&D?
No, it's pretty clear that she likes (modern) D&D. She is primarily a cosplayer, and for her D&D is partially a vehicle for her cosplay. And she doesn't like the same kind of D&D most of us here do. And I don't quite understand why some guys seem infatuated with her. But she definitely seems to genuinely like D&D.
Fake, no.
Arrogant as hell with comments like prior generations just didn't get how to play D&D while teaching people how to play "the right way".
That annoys me coming out of people who promote playstyles I like, much less from people embracing a playstyle I don't. I don't watch her for that reason, but I have no reason to think she doesn't play and enjoy D&D.
If she is a Twitch Thot type trying to mine the 5e crowd, she's not very good at it (or is so good it's too subtle for me to get...I'm open to that but haven't seen how her targets are supposed to pay if she is).
Quote from: Trond on December 15, 2022, 09:22:00 AM
This thread reminds me: remember the "fake geek girl" hysteria? Some geeks (some older dudes but also some younger women) posted their hatred of so-called geek girls who apparent cosplayed just to show off or something. That was one of the first SJW gamer online explosions. Of course all the SJWs instantly "forgot" that some women had been posting about this and presented it as solely as men attacking innocent women.
This is the tell.
How does Ginny 'D' handle criticism?
If cries of sexism, misogyny and variations of:
"hatred/jealous of me because I'm a woman" are her go-to responses...
Then that is a sure fire tell that she's fake as fuck.
If she's just like:
"whatever haters..."She's probably OK.
Of course none of those answers effect the Real scandal going down right now:
Why does anyone here Fucking Care!?
Not ugly Cosplay chick + TheRPGSite = WTF?
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on December 14, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
So yeah, I may have said Ginny Di is coming across as fake and that she jumped on the D&D-bandwagon because it's now popular. It's a little twitstorm right now, I'm afraid. Am I the only one thinking she comes across as fake?
I've been accused of gatekeeping and whatnot. Is this where we are now?
EDIT changed spelling of 'populair' to 'popular'
Her business is social media, of course she's fake.
If a cute girl likes nerdy things, and makes money from that you should automatically become suspicious.
Nobody can stop her, but nerdom and hot bodies are damn near polar opposites.
Quote from: weirdguy564 on December 16, 2022, 09:44:10 PM
....but nerdom and hot bodies are damn near polar opposites.
Nope, you're wrong about that.
Over 17 years of working at a game & comics store I saw young womenm with 'hot bodies' quite often who were VERY into 'Nerd Stuff'.
I think you are working on out of date assumptions there.
There was one young woman in her early 20s who would stop in once a month and spend around 150 dollars on miniatures for a
D&D campasgn she was running. One time she banned or 'ordered' her boyfriend to wait outside our window on a bench - because she didn't want him to see what monsters or adversaries she was buying for her group's next game session.
- Ed C
Never watched her stuff, though it frequently gets recommended to me on Youtube. Based on video titles and thumbnails, her stuff seems to be a mix of the same incredibly basic DM/player advice you can get from any of dozens of other channels, and engaging in what I can only call "D&D meme culture". I get that stuff is appealing to a lot of people, but it's turbo-cringe to me.
Is she a phony? No idea. Unfortunately, the state of the internet economy gives anyone with with a cynical mindset probable cause to be suspicious of any pretty girl making a living in the "gaming influencer" world. There is a definite financial incentive for attractive women to attach themselves to popular nerd subcultures, and it can be a route to (relatively) easy fame and fortune.
Based on what others have said about her, I would suggest that the answer can be both yes and no. I can easily picture a situation where she is a cosplayer who probably has at least a passing interest in roleplaying games. She has a "nerd stuff" channel, and at some point she makes a couple of videos about D&D. Those do well, so she leans into it, and before long that's her brand. She probably doesn't have zero genuine interest in the hobby. Frankly, there are more lucrative sectors of nerd/gaming culture she could get into if she only cared about getting views. But it's equally likely that her level of investment in it is played up more than a little for the camera.
For the record - I Do Not think that she is 'fake' - she is just maybe a younger bracket of D&D player than what many of you are used to.
She likes or loves D&D just as much as you do - she just got introduced to it more recently than you did.
Since her earlier geekdom activity was making videos - then that is her comfort zone to show her enthusiasm for gaming.
- Ed C.
I'm iffy of people with obviously fake hair colors in general, regardless of sex. If it's a guy, he's probably a pedo, or at least has a sexual assault under his belt. If it's a chick, she's painfully desperate for attention (to the point she'll throw herself down the stairs and blame her partner for it)......... I'm only half-kidding.
Quote from: ForgottenF on December 16, 2022, 10:46:53 PMUnfortunately, the state of the internet economy gives anyone with with a cynical mindset probable cause to be suspicious of any pretty girl making a living in the "gaming influencer" world. There is a definite financial incentive for attractive women to attach themselves to popular nerd subcultures, and it can be a route to (relatively) easy fame and fortune.
Yeah, the ultimate question of "fake" on this level has always been, "Would you still be doing this if you weren't making money off it somehow?"
Which I've always felt is at least a little unfair to demand; there does come a point in your life where one's time is valuable enough that you have to make some fairly harsh decisions about how you invest it, and you may only be able to continue with a beloved pastime at all if you can find a way to monetize it somehow. But at the same time, I can see how someone who loves the hobby for its own sake, regardless of what they make off it, might find it annoying to interact with those who have different priorities.
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I don't care about this Sunny D person, but it's a sad fact that dudes will act like simps over chicks.
I used to watch her videos. I think it's good to look to different gaming sources to see if there's something new I should try or something I've missed. I don't doubt that she's genuine, she's just someone I decided I don't need to follow any longer.
Quote from: PulpHerb on December 16, 2022, 03:31:09 PM
Arrogant as hell with comments like prior generations just didn't get how to play D&D while teaching people how to play "the right way".
That annoys me coming out of people who promote playstyles I like, much less from people embracing a playstyle I don't. I don't watch her for that reason, but I have no reason to think she doesn't play and enjoy D&D.
OSR does it, people here do it, a-lot. This is nothing new.
Annoying as all get out. But nothing new.
And yeah that quip bugged me too and one or two others shes fired off that just make me pause and go "really?"
Quote from: Omega on December 18, 2022, 02:01:27 AM
OSR does it, people here do it, a-lot. This is nothing new.
That's why you see me doing very little to interact with the BrOSR despite overlapping a lot more with them playstyle wise that Ginny.
There is also a bit of forgiveness that comes with time. I'll put up with that from someone who has been playing and publishing RPG materials for a couple of decades than someone who has been doing it less than five.
To keep it to YouTube, Professor DungeonMaster annoys me at times, but the guy has been doing it for nearly forty years and put his material out there for nearly thirty. Even when he is arrogant, there is reason to believe his signal-to-noise ratio is such that I can learn something. Ginny D and some other "I started playing during the 5e era YouTubes don't engender that belief. She's not even the worst.
QuoteAnnoying as all get out. But nothing new.
And yeah that quip bugged me too and one or two others shes fired off that just make me pause and go "really?"
Te is a special arrogance to saying, "this thing existed for 45 years before I showed up during the current fad and has been a fad twice before, but only me and my contemporaries have truly figured it out."
Not saying that can't happen, but when your "discoveries" are things I can find being stated in the 70s by people with a much better claim to having discovered them, you just look like an idiot at best.
reminds me of a youtube vid i saw a few hours ago entitled something like "what is dragonlance and should you be excited"...
"...and should you be excited."
^^^^dafuq is this?
lo now, cultist, in order to be part of this religion you must "be excited" when told to by the authorities of the sect, or to elstwise be and think and feel as commanded in order to be part of this herd. So now being a ttrpg gamer is a fashion choice or lifestyle aesthetic, is it?
"Be excited" oh man there is this great thing i know nothing about but i'm told i should be excited here lemme feign drooling frothing slack jawed excitement, how do you do my fellow gamer persons...lol.
There is no doubt a high degree of fakery everywhere touching almost all things, always has been as near as i can tell, a gulf between what the paper says is supposed to be versus that which resides in physical reality.
Do you ever wonder at how many of these people get wotc money or products for plugging or shilling the latest 5e product? I sometimes suspect none of it is organic at all. This is a pet peeve of mine, this seeming groupthink, sports team mentality, its loaded with the most offensive assumptions such as assuming there is anything at all ever that actual gamers could or would agree on enough to get any sort of social norm or blanket rule from...alas, the formation of such for external groups to manipulate would be abnormal if it existed even if none sought to use it for manipulation.
Trend and trope crush substance and hope, GTFO out of my hobby and lay off the dope, anul anthrak, barra mass ssratu, abracadabra!
I listened to a bunch of Ginny Di videos while on a long drive today. I don't hear anything to suggest that she is fake as the OP suggested.
Her advice seemed mostly aimed at players more than DMs, and mostly on D&D but often generally applicable, and especially for The topics I heard were about how to play, building character personality and backstory, and some about campaign building. I didn't see her bad-mouthing anything about different styles of play. She is very open that whatever works is fine, and that other people have fun doing things differently. She is open about being sponsored - usually by Kobold Press in the videos I saw.
I didn't get a whole lot from the videos, but then, I'm pretty far from the target audience.
Quote from: Slipshot762 on December 19, 2022, 01:45:33 AM
Do you ever wonder at how many of these people get wotc money or products for plugging or shilling the latest 5e product? I sometimes suspect none of it is organic at all. This is a pet peeve of mine, this seeming groupthink, sports team mentality, its loaded with the most offensive assumptions such as assuming there is anything at all ever that actual gamers could or would agree on enough to get any sort of social norm or blanket rule from...alas, the formation of such for external groups to manipulate would be abnormal if it existed even if none sought to use it for manipulation.
Popular Youtube channels involve a lot of effort in filming, production, editing, and so forth. So I expect that product placement is pretty common. Pundit typically plugs his own publications, for example. I think he genuinely does believe that his stuff is great, and that material from the leading producer sucks. But he's also financially motivated to say that.
I think that she is pretty slick with production and topics, and she has a high comfort level with the script and camera. She seems sincere. My suspicion is that the 'fake' theory is rooted in the high production level. I mean, she inserts very well-produced music videos into the stream. She reminds of someone maybe inspired by The Guild. At 1m followers, there's some revenue streaming her way for the content she makes.
As usual YMMV. And always remember that great cartoon. No one on the internet knows you are a dog.
Quote from: Tasty_Wind on December 16, 2022, 11:39:36 PM
I'm iffy of people with obviously fake hair colors in general, regardless of sex.
I think it's sweet your grandkids taught you how to use the interwebz. :)
Quote from: Mistwell on December 26, 2022, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: Tasty_Wind on December 16, 2022, 11:39:36 PM
I'm iffy of people with obviously fake hair colors in general, regardless of sex.
I think it's sweet your grandkids taught you how to use the interwebz. :)
It's interesting that you think someone needs to be a Boomer just to recognize patterns.
Quote from: Mistwell on December 26, 2022, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: Tasty_Wind on December 16, 2022, 11:39:36 PM
I'm iffy of people with obviously fake hair colors in general, regardless of sex.
I think it's sweet your grandkids taught you how to use the interwebz. :)
Maybe your grandparents could teach you how to usefully add to a conversation.
She doesn't seem fake to me. She's very much in a different headspace than I ever occupied, but that's OK.
I generally don't watch YouTube videos on tabletop gaming, so her stuff doesn't interest me, but I wouldn't shun her or anything.
Quote from: Lurkndog on December 27, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
She doesn't seem fake to me. She's very much in a different headspace than I ever occupied, but that's OK.
I generally don't watch YouTube videos on tabletop gaming, so her stuff doesn't interest me, but I wouldn't shun her or anything.
My thoughts as well. I like her presentation. It is just that. Like I feel with Colville, they advocate certain playstyles and occasional attitudes that rub me wrong. Other than that shes fine, upbeat and is overall fun to listen to. Can not say that of Colville after a while.