Quote from: GameDaddy on March 02, 2021, 10:29:54 AM
Here, we have been, for the most part uncensored, and I would prefer it to remain that way. If not, Oh well. It would be a great loss though, since this is still one of the few gaming boards left, where speaking the truth of life and games is valued. But then again, perhaps not. We shall see.   

If this were ENWorld or rpg.net, you probably wouldn't have even gotten the warning. As it stands, just remember that when the ban comes its not going to be because of your political speech, its going to be because...

A) You're posting political speech that is not directly related to gaming in the section of the forum where that is banned (there are other sections for that).

B) You completed ignored Pundit's warning about not posting in this thread again... and not only did you do it with an attempt to swerve back on target, you did so by continuing precisely the things that the header and Pundit himself told you would lead to a ban.

So... here's pre-emptive "Bye!"

I hope your self-perceived martyrdom keeps you warm at night.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 02, 2021, 06:15:43 PM

Quote from: GameDaddy on March 02, 2021, 10:29:54 AM
Here, we have been, for the most part uncensored, and I would prefer it to remain that way. If not, Oh well. It would be a great loss though, since this is still one of the few gaming boards left, where speaking the truth of life and games is valued. But then again, perhaps not. We shall see.   

If this were ENWorld or rpg.net, you probably wouldn't have even gotten the warning. As it stands, just remember that when the ban comes its not going to be because of your political speech, its going to be because...

A) You're posting political speech that is not directly related to gaming in the section of the forum where that is banned (there are other sections for that).

B) You completed ignored Pundit's warning about not posting in this thread again... and not only did you do it with an attempt to swerve back on target, you did so by continuing precisely the things that the header and Pundit himself told you would lead to a ban.

So... here's pre-emptive "Bye!"

I hope your self-perceived martyrdom keeps you warm at night.

Byeeeeuhhh! Don't let the swinging saloon doors here hit your ass on the way out!

the actual subject of this thread is: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?

My question is, ....are we becoming more like RPG.net?

Not quite, it would seem. We don't ban people for talking about gaming and truth here, and if they ever do, I won't be posting over here on gaming, or anything else, because that would be meaningless, to post in a place where truth is not revered, a place like rpg.net. ...and what Enworld is becoming. If we really become like that here, then I don't really need to be here, and won't miss being here either...

I actually don't mind seeing people here clash over their ideals of what gaming should be, and to what extent politics should be interfering with our gaming. Such energetic and free discussions allow people the opportunity to determine for themselves what truths and models best serve gaming. Without it, all the gamers are in a boring lockstep, marching to the tune of one piper, whoever that may be.

QuoteThis is superbly relevant to gaming, and an on topic thread. We discuss gaming here, and truth and justice, and liberty, and how games should portray that.

Dude, like... not discussing politics in RPG part of board is rule here... dunno for a long time, at least few years.
So step of your high horse of "I have a right to say anything anywhere because it's Da Truth." That's language of internet maniacs thinking they can disrupt boards with their self-rightousness.
And such guys usually get banned even from boards very close in spirit to their believes. Not due to believes - DUE TO BEING INSUFFERABLE.

And this linking all this covid-talking with "how truth and justice should be portrayed in games" is just... stretching more than Russian ballerina.

Quotethe actual subject of this thread is: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?

My question is, ....are we becoming more like RPG.net?

The answer is: Nope. It's you who become more like wokester believing because he's right he can disrupt life of a board with his Woke Takes anytime he wants because they are DA TRUTH.
Boards are moderated. Boards have segments. Boards have rules. That's not being woke - that's being sane.

QuoteWe don't ban people for talking about gaming and truth here, and if they ever do, I won't be posting over here on gaming, or anything else, because that would be meaningless, to post in a place where truth is not revered,

Clever how you add truth to gaming to make weird logical twist - that every talking about truth is talking about gaming because... MAGIC.
Besides even if we would revere truth - why would we trust you to have and understand truth - if you cannot understand board rules.

Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on March 02, 2021, 07:27:24 PM

Clever how you add truth to gaming to make weird logical twist - that every talking about truth is talking about gaming because... MAGIC.
Besides even if we would revere truth - why would we trust you to have and understand truth - if you cannot understand board rules.

I don't want you to trust me. I want you to present better arguments than I do for what truth is.

When you simply dismiss someone, you are not presenting a better argument.

When you omit or ignore facts, you are not presenting a better argument. Not for a game, or not for politics. You are simply ignoring the facts, theories, and assumptions that already exist. None of them is being challenged. In such an environment how do you learn whether something is true, or not? Oh, I see....  Magic. Magically you know what is right or wrong?... show me how that works.

Pat says conspiracy theories. But Covids doesn't create itself out of nothing. It can't be transmitted if there is no environment for transmission (like if it is trapped in a fucking remote cave, with some nocturnal bats that never even go near humans, for example). How many people do you actually know that go rooting around in a cave to capture bats, specifically bats infected with Sars or Covids. Did he, even once, propose a better idea for how all those Chinese got infected with Covids, which previously didn't infect humans by the way. He basically called me a liar on this board, without offering any proof, any proof at all, anything else happened. I don't have to put up with that.

...and you, invoking MAGIC. What kind of Magic kills free speech and the fraternity of a brotherhood of gamers that do value you the truth, both in the real world, and with RPG games?

Quote from: GameDaddy on March 02, 2021, 07:46:09 PM
I don't want you to trust me. I want you to present better arguments than I do for what truth is.

Here's a Truth for you. You're posting on a privatley owned message board. While the owner has a dedication to free speech ideals, it's not absolute. For instance, I was told to change my avatar from a Nazi Dinosaur with machine guns strapped to it's horns because (I assume) the dinosaur had a Nazi Swastika on it's side.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on March 02, 2021, 06:27:05 AM
Now about ENWorld: I never got into ENWorld. Any interesting subforums or discussions someone could point me to? rpg-related, I mean. Usually forums are at their most interesting just before they go SJW - it's because they were getting interesting the SJWs had to turn them shitty. So there must be some good stuff there now! Show me!

This is still my question.

QuoteI don't want you to trust me. I want you to present better arguments than I do for what truth is.

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE. What part of NOT IN THIS THREAD is too hard to you

Quote...and you, invoking MAGIC. What kind of Magic kills free speech and the fraternity of a brotherhood of gamers that do value you the truth, both in the real world, and with RPG games?

Brotherhood of gamers does not value truth. They value lot of XP, and big Charisma bonuses. Get over it

QuoteThis is still my question.

I discussed there last few days inspired by this thread. It's not very bad. But it's terribly D&D and consortes centric, so it's kinda meh.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 02, 2021, 07:52:39 PM

Here's a Truth for you. You're posting on a privatley owned message board. While the owner has a dedication to free speech ideals, it's not absolute. For instance, I was told to change my avatar from a Nazi Dinosaur with machine guns strapped to it's horns because (I assume) the dinosaur had a Nazi Swastika on it's side.

Is this something we need to address? I suppose we could create a forum somewhere else, or a subforum here specifically for dinosaurs wired up with machine guns that display nazi swastika's for "Der Fuehrer". The dinosaur with machineguns came from a parody movie by the way, They were making fun of Nazi's. That movie was named Iron Sky and was made by a bunch of Finnish college students, and a few renegade German outlaws. Always thought that that would make a hilarious game. I especially liked the OneTrueWay(tm) Apple Acolytes.

For the record my Llamma packing twin .50 cals will smoke all the Nazi flag bearing Dinosaurs that show up! Also, if you like that so much, how come you haven't setup your own messageboard featuring all sorts or rebel dinosaurs?

Imagine being told you'll be banned if you post again and doing it like five more times, each reply more verbose and delusional than the next. Godspeed, sir.

The funny thing? I never said a thing about the origins of covid. This is entirely a fantasy in GameDaddy's head.

Quote from: Pat on March 02, 2021, 08:22:31 PM
The funny thing? I never said a thing about the origins of covid. This is entirely a fantasy in GameDaddy's head.

Did you miss the part where I said delusional? I had ignored the dude on the old site because of this sort of stuff, just in time to see it flame out entirely.

Quote from: GameDaddy on March 02, 2021, 08:11:50 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 02, 2021, 07:52:39 PM

Here's a Truth for you. You're posting on a privatley owned message board. While the owner has a dedication to free speech ideals, it's not absolute. For instance, I was told to change my avatar from a Nazi Dinosaur with machine guns strapped to it's horns because (I assume) the dinosaur had a Nazi Swastika on it's side.

Is this something we need to address? I suppose we could create a forum somewhere else, or a subforum here specifically for dinosaurs wired up with machine guns that display nazi swastika's for "Der Fuehrer". The dinosaur with machineguns came from a parody movie by the way, They were making fun of Nazi's. That movie was named Iron Sky and was made by a bunch of Finnish college students, and a few renegade German outlaws. Always thought that that would make a hilarious game. I especially liked the OneTrueWay(tm) Apple Acolytes.

It was from the Danger 5 episode "Lizard Soldiers of the Third Reich".
The origial Iron Sky didn't have dinosaurs at all. You're probably thinking of the sequel, "The Coming Race".

But yes, I got called a literal Nazi by some posters here for having a Nazi Dinosaur as an Avatar. Fun times.

Keeping this on topic and answering that question above somewhere.

So far. No this forum is not becoming like the others. We do have a bit too many knee-jerk counter reactions. But honestly how can you not have those now as the situation actually worsens with each passing week nearly. But here people can call out the BS kneejerking and not be banned just for pointing it out.

We have these nuts infesting everything and no end in sight. En-World and other fora are only going to get worse as they get more co-opted and/or outright taken over. And every venue is facing the same thing.

Quote from: GameDaddy on March 02, 2021, 08:11:50 PM
That movie was named Iron Sky and was made by a bunch of Finnish college students, and a few renegade German outlaws. Always thought that that would make a hilarious game. I especially liked the OneTrueWay(tm) Apple Acolytes.

...actually, dinosaurs are in the sequel...

also

https://www.ironskytherpg.com/

although apparently delayed...

Quote from: Omega on March 02, 2021, 09:10:20 PM
No this forum is not becoming like the others.

Yes it is. Not in the free speech or even the political sense, but in the methods of discourse. Because in the last decade or decade and a half everywhere online has become more strident and hostile as people look for offense in everything, treat a single divergent belief as proof people are the Enemy, bring politics into everything, and all the other crap that's the result of hyperpolarization. It's inevitable, because even the most niche board is downstream from the toxic sludge that oozes from the wider culture.