One year later: How's Pathfinder 2 faring?

[kidkaos2]

I read that "Gaming is for all" thing in the beginning of this thread with surprise.  It seems quite arrogant to me for a game designer to tell you how you're supposed to behave at your table and what sort of language you're supposed to use when playing your game.  Their job is to write the game rules.  Which dice to roll in which circumstance.  That's it.  Who gave them the job of telling you how to behave?  That thing sounded like a parent lecturing a child.  It really did verge into being insulting.

[Abraxus]

I read that "Gaming is for all" thing in the beginning of this thread with surprise.  It seems quite arrogant to me for a game designer to tell you how you're supposed to behave at your table and what sort of language you're supposed to use when playing your game.  Their job is to write the game rules.  Which dice to roll in which circumstance.  That's it.  Who gave them the job of telling you how to behave?  That thing sounded like a parent lecturing a child.  It really did verge into being insulting.

That's what happens when companies go woke imo.

All they had to do was "be kind and respectful to you and our players and have fun". Instead we get Paizo telling players and DMs to be armchair psychologists which I think is dangerous on it's own. It's not my place to be amateur psychologist at the gaming table especially when a player and/or the dM has legitimate mental health issues. One thing these Woke rog companies don't take into account. It was the overall tone that was and is still insulting. Unfortunately the company is rotten to the core with the philosophy of SJW. Ban or remove posts not catering to that or their overall feelings on a topic. They were ripped a new one because they apologized for having the fantasy version of police in their newest adventure path. It was embarrassing picture someone forgot to give a prized book back to their friend and then on their stomach grovelling for forgiveness.

[Mistwell]

If Paizo is hurting on PF2 sales, why is it they increase the number of employees they have and are at an all time high in number of employees? Particularly now, when they could lay people off fairly safely and let them be on super-unemployment, why would they continue to higher people like this if their bottom line is down so much?

That's not snark, I am asking an honest question. What's going on over there at Paizo?

[kythri]

If Paizo is hurting on PF2 sales, why is it they increase the number of employees they have and are at an all time high in number of employees? Particularly now, when they could lay people off fairly safely and let them be on super-unemployment, why would they continue to higher people like this if their bottom line is down so much?

That's not snark, I am asking an honest question. What's going on over there at Paizo?

Well, most everyone is telecommuting right now, so it's easy to add new "creative" staff in that respect.  No real capital expense in on-boarding new staff.

Further, despite all of their professed support of a "living wage" it's not like they're paying them any more than the bare minimum they're legally required to.

There's a ton of people, disillusioned enough to believe it matters, who will crawl over their family (and shove them aside) to be able to put Paizo on their resume.

[Jaeger]

Fuck that! Palladium and realRifts is AWESOME! ...

I'll also take any edition of Palladium Fantasy over any edition of D&D any day of the week.

Deceiver! Blasphemer! Heretic!

BURN HIM! BURN HIM!

BUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNN  HHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM*cough*cough*cough* MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

.. Palladium just sucks in general. ...

I bless you.

May you hold fast and continue to walk the path of True Wisdom.

Ah yes, very important to laugh at those companies that will never be in the top 2.

This guy gets it.

If Paizo is hurting on PF2 sales, why is it they increase the number of employees they have and are at an all time high in number of employees? Particularly now, when they could lay people off fairly safely and let them be on super-unemployment, why would they continue to higher people like this if their bottom line is down so much?

That's not snark, I am asking an honest question. What's going on over there at Paizo?

Well, there's this:

Well, most everyone is telecommuting right now, so it's easy to add new "creative" staff in that respect.  No real capital expense in on-boarding new staff.

Further, despite all of their professed support of a "living wage" it's not like they're paying them any more than the bare minimum they're legally required to.

There's a ton of people, disillusioned enough to believe it matters, who will crawl over their family (and shove them aside) to be able to put Paizo on their resume.

Also, nobody really knows.

Baizuo's PR has a long standing reputation of publicly stating that everything is great until they announce the opposite. (Which is totally understandable.)

So no one will know anything until Baizuo says "Oh Fuck". (But then everything will be just peachy once more.)

We do know that all the go-woke go-broke signs are there - It is just not something that will happen at the flip of a switch.

[Krugus]

I happen to like the system.  
It works for my group.  
Never cared for 5E.
I buy the main books and skip on the setting books (I have my own that I have been using since forever so why would I buy theirs?)
If they go belly up tomorrow.  I'll still have the books (hard copy and PDF) and can still play it with out any issues just like AD&D 2E and my first edition Earthdawn books etc. etc. etc.

[ZetaRidley]

I happen to like the system.  
It works for my group.  
Never cared for 5E.
I buy the main books and skip on the setting books (I have my own that I have been using since forever so why would I buy theirs?)
If they go belly up tomorrow.  I'll still have the books (hard copy and PDF) and can still play it with out any issues just like AD&D 2E and my first edition Earthdawn books etc. etc. etc.

The character creation has been fun so far. My players and I have been looking for something else. 5e is okay, not amazing, but it works.