I have newly become interested in the OSR games and join the subreddit. I don't know much about Zak S except that he is connected to the Flame Princess games (they seem to also hate the creator James Raggi) but every time I started to get involved in any conversations it was just constant hatred to anyone who had seemly transgressed in some way. Is this attitude common in the OSR or should I just avoid the whole OSR community?
The OSR subreddit is a shit show. For the most part they're full blown in to woke politics and follow that hive mind fairly hard.
My question is should I bother with OSR at all? Will I find this behavior in every OSR group I visit? Because if I do I will happily fuck right off.
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There's your problem.
Quote from: K9ine;1140014My question is should I bother with OSR at all? Will I find this behavior in every OSR group I visit? Because if I do I will happily fuck right off.
It shouldn't be too difficult to find a group that's more interested in playing a game than having a purity spiral, but reddit is probably not the place for finding such people.
Good to know. Know of any good communities?
Quote from: K9ine;1140020Good to know. Know of any good communities?
Yes. therpgsite.com
You found it!
Quote from: K9ine;1140014My question is should I bother with OSR at all? Will I find this behavior in every OSR group I visit? Because if I do I will happily fuck right off.
No. You will find some fairly good groups. Redit currently is a mess. RPG.net is a mess, BGG is increasingly a mess. And if it isnt the SJW cultists then its the OSR eletists and fringe nut cases. You are going to run into nuts in any game sooner or later. Preferrably much later.
OSR games can be anything from blatant game theft to respectful homages and everything in between. Scarlet Heroes is one I like as well as Adventurer Conqueror King System, AKA... ACKS.
That kind of behavior is common on Reddit and common on Rpg.net (where a dissenting opinion can get you perma-banned). I'd say on this site you'll get into the occasional heated conversation, but nobody's going to move to "cancel" you for an opinion you hold. Another site that's pretty good is RPG Pub - they have a pretty strict "no politics" policy. Political statements on this site should be strictly limited to RPG-related discussion. Anything not game related but political is going to stress the patience of Pundy, who may or may not boot you depending on his mood.
This site is, in general, more all about D&D and its clones than others (my personal observation / opinion), so if you just want to talk OSR, this is a good place for it.
As for whether you should bother with the OSR at all - if you have an interest at all, yes. Of all the game communities out there, I think you're least likely to find the OSR scene blindly following some ideology. You're bound to find like-minded people, particularly if your perspective is that you just came to game.
Quote from: K9ine;1140014My question is should I bother with OSR at all? Will I find this behavior in every OSR group I visit? Because if I do I will happily fuck right off.
Yes, bother with the OSR. Try Dungeon Crawl Classics.
Thank you this was helpful.
Out of personal experience, don't bother with reddit for tabletop subs. It's as toxic as it gets.
Dragonsfoot has an okay OSR community and you won't find the Reddit idiocy getting much traction. However, it's primarily focused on AD&D Revival (the whole reason for the forum's original creation) and some of them aren't OSR friendly, but plenty of OSR authors can be found posting there (and here).
Of course, here the Reddit idiocy gets blasted into a fine red mist.
And then we spend 40 more pages shitting on the fine red mist.
Please feel free to start OSR threads about your favorite OSR games! We have a great many OSR fans (and authors) who are members here.
Quote from: Slambo;1140031Yes, bother with the OSR. Try Dungeon Crawl Classics.
Meh. Not my cuppa.
But that raises the question, OP, of which game's you've looked into or are into? From post #1 I gather Lamentations is your thing? What about any others?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1140037Of course, here the Reddit idiocy gets blasted into a fine red mist.
And then we spend 40 more pages shitting on the fine red mist.
I genuinely had a good laugh at this. Truer words were never written.
Lamentations of the Flame Princess drew my eye. Its what made me interested in OSR in the first place. There seemed to be a lot of creativity in it, even if it got a bit eye-rolling at times.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1140037Dragonsfoot has an okay OSR community and you won't find the Reddit idiocy getting much traction. However, it's primarily focused on AD&D Revival (the whole reason for the forum's original creation) and some of them aren't OSR friendly, but plenty of OSR authors can be found posting there (and here).
Dragonsfoot has its own host of problems mostly unrelated to wokeness. LEast so far. I found the place just came across as somehow not right in feel. Akin to how you can feel over on BGG. Theres something wrong. But its not blatant usually.
Do check out Dungeon Crawl Classics. It's a very unique system. It has it's own crazy gonzo stuff going on.
Quote from: K9ine;1140044Lamentations of the Flame Princess drew my eye. Its what made me interested in OSR in the first place. There seemed to be a lot of creativity in it, even if it got a bit eye-rolling at times.
I think the eye rolling was intentional? And not necessarily a bad thing. Check out some of Venger Satanis' stuff for exemplar examples of that approach. The Islands of Purple-Haunted Putrescence!!!
Second vote for Venger's Islands! My favorite OSR setting.
Quote from: Omega;1140050Dragonsfoot has its own host of problems mostly unrelated to wokeness.
Agreed. It's an okay forum, but my take on the "not right in feel" is too much focus on nostalgia which makes me wonder how many of their members are still playing. There's no reason AD&D1e can't be fully alive and wondrously engaging at your table, even when running ancient modules. But too often, I get the sense many active DFers aren't active players.
Or maybe the problem is its run by an Englishman? Everyone knows the BEST RPG forums are created by Shitlords in Uruguay!!! :D
I am leaving it as well. The mod over there just promised to ban anybody talking about any product made by Zak S.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a nice thing to say about the guy, but I'm not down for censorship, or what our lord protector is calling 'editorial control'. Here is the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/hrui7u/announcement_starting_now_there_will_be_a_ban_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I put up with that place as long as I could because it is super convenient to use the reddit app, but shame on me for being lazy. I have no doubt this is only the start as they will never fill the empty void compelling them to find their next witch to burn.
I have lurked here for quite a while. I enjoy your perspective and open dialog. I have been playing RPGs since early 80s, and some of the most interesting people I have met throughout my life has been because of this hobby. Hello World.
Vornheim is really pretty important to the OSR.
Whether or not it is a good product (in some ways yes, in a lot of ways no), it inspired a lot what followed, including really good stuff like Yoon Suin.
So if you can't talk about it then there's this strange gap in OSR history, you need to try and talk your way around.
Edit: I see it's not censorship but "editorial control". Does that mean that if we produce content for the subreddit they will pay us?
I have it, but never ran it. It was too much work trying to get through the form to get to the function. Having said that, there were some really cool parts, including the drop tables, and I recognize the importance of it (and also A Red and Pleasant Land).
Quote from: TJS;1140068Edit: I see it's not censorship but "editorial control". Does that mean that if we produce content for the subreddit they will pay us?
Yeah I saw that too. I'd say the lack of intellectual integrity is shocking, but...it's Reddit. So, not really. What they're exercising is, by definition, censorship. At least have the balls to own it.
Yeah I think some of it is intentional. In the core book I think the author said that "To enjoy this game you must either be very mature or willfully juvenile" that got a laugh out of me.
Quote from: Omega;1140052I think the eye rolling was intentional? And not necessarily a bad thing. Check out some of Venger Satanis' stuff for exemplar examples of that approach. The Islands of Purple-Haunted Putrescence!!!
Yeah I think some of it is intentional. In the core book I think the author said that "To enjoy this game you must either be very mature or willfully juvenile" that got a laugh out of me.
Quote from: FingerRod;1140065I am leaving it as well. The mod over there just promised to ban anybody talking about any product made by Zak S.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a nice thing to say about the guy, but I'm not down for censorship, or what our lord protector is calling 'editorial control'. Here is the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/hrui7u/announcement_starting_now_there_will_be_a_ban_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I put up with that place as long as I could because it is super convenient to use the reddit app, but shame on me for being lazy. I have no doubt this is only the start as they will never fill the empty void compelling them to find their next witch to burn.
I have lurked here for quite a while. I enjoy your perspective and open dialog. I have been playing RPGs since early 80s, and some of the most interesting people I have met throughout my life has been because of this hobby. Hello World.
In my opinion Zak S is just one of the piranhas that got turned on by his own swarm, he reaped what he has sown. I don't like him either, but the way he is treated still pisses me off.
Welcome to TheRPGSite! This place is pretty snazzy. I have enjoyed my time bumming around the OSR community and I think that you will find it is a pretty decent group. Reddit's just not what it used to be, sadly, but there's still plenty of good stuff elsewhere.
If you want cool gaming stuff, check out all the threads in the main forum here. If you veer into politics in the main forum, stick to how politics relate to RPGs. I'm pretty hyped about Delving Deeper at the moment, the beautifully well done 0e clone being discussed.
If you want to be depressed/talk general politics, well, there's spirited discussion about how the world's going to shit in The RPGPundit's Own Forum https://www.therpgsite.com/forumdisplay.php?4-The-RPGPundit-s-Own-Forum
Anyway hi, welcome, etc. :D
The OSR is about creating your own game system.
That only.
You have an idea that the OSR is something else. No.
You think it's about RAW but it's really about RAI.
Rules as guidelines, not rules as written.
Grow up.
You might also check out the OD&D forums, https://odd74.proboards.com/ (https://odd74.proboards.com/). Finarvyn runs a tight ship and the signal to noise ratio of the conversation is excellent.
Quote from: K9ine;1140009I have newly become interested in the OSR games and join the subreddit. ...
Quote from: FingerRod;1140065I am leaving it as well. ...
Welcome to theRPGsite! You will find much spirited debate, discussion, and sometimes celebration across the spectrum of RPGs. OSR gets a heaping helping of that here.
I was like, "what's wrong with r/OSR", and then I saw this:
Quote from: FingerRod;1140065https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/hrui7u/announcement_starting_now_there_will_be_a_ban_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Yeah, fuck you, fascists. I'm leaving that sub as well.
You've identified a Reddit issue, not an OSR issue. The SJWs often accuse the OSR in general of being a bunch of Alt-Right Edgelords. Which is bollocks, but it does average less Woke than some other RPG communities.
Good places for OSR discussion include here on therpgsite, Dragonsfoot (Simulacra Games & Other Games fora for OSR games), therpgpub. K&KA for 1e AD&D specifically.
Quote from: Mjollnir;1140015QuoteReddit
There's your problem.
There ARE good and helpful reddits.
But for the most part, you aren't wrong.
Reddit in its very essence strongly favors hivemind thinking - everything in there from the voting system to how posts are presented works towards presenting "the one true opinion" on any given reddit.
Everything not compatible with the hivemind in a subreddit will either be buried or downright banned, depending on the mods.
As such, people looking for an echo chamber gravitate to Reddits.
I'd go to reddit for memes and strongly factual advice (e.g. I do follow some game engine & coding subreddits), but if you want actual discussions, with people who actually have different opinions, especially with even a minor political side to it, avoid reddit.
Join r/theOSR. It split because of the what was going on in r/OSR. Then the r/OSR mods had hurt fee fees and actually said the new sub felt like 'a slap in the face (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOSR/comments/bb51mm/why_split_the_community_with_another_osr_subreddit/).'
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1140198Join r/theOSR. It split because of the what was going on in r/OSR. Then the r/OSR mods had hurt fee fees and actually said the new sub felt like 'a slap in the face (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOSR/comments/bb51mm/why_split_the_community_with_another_osr_subreddit/).'
I was just about to ask. Thanks for posting.
Take a look at this, it lines up with other data I've seen pretty closely:
https://imgur.com/gallery/cPzlB
If it seems like High School over there, there's a reason for that. A large majority of the user base are young, unemployed students. Probably a great place for discussion if you are also in that group. If you are a 40+ grognard, you probably don't have much in common with that group and there are 30+ of them for every one of you, so those voices will drown out the rest.
I use the site as its a good aggregator, but like you I gave up on the rpg subreddits a long time ago. I'll take a look at that new one.
This site has a much better balance from what I've seen. I imagine many other forums do as well, but personally don't lurk in too many other RPG spaces so can't say for sure.
I'm not leaving
I'm not leaving the subreddit, because I like it there, and people post some really great threads, topics, ideas, dungeons, etc. It's great.
With that said, I don't like censorship, so I came over here for a second home.
Quote from: HappyRogue;1140328I'm not leaving the subreddit, because I like it there, and people post some really great threads, topics, ideas, dungeons, etc. It's great.
With that said, I don't like censorship, so I came over here for a second home.
Welcome aboard!
Reddit is slowly removing any none woke subreddit they can. I moved to a new site called Ruqqus. If you upvote my posts I can get a guild (Ruqqus version of subreddit) and keep it woke free for RPG discussions.
Here is a link (https://ruqqus.com/post/1axg/osr-guild).
Absolutely everywhere is better than reddit. Even 4chan/tg/osrg is better than reddit - occasional trolling, but some real content in there as well. Dragonsfoot is useful - more plain old Old School than OSR, but I still get a lot from it. I don't go in swinging about DCC or LotFP, I talk about AD&D or systemless, but still. K&KA is even more grognard old school/anti-OSR than Dragonsfoot but if AD&D is your interest it's okay.
What's best though is to run a game yourself. You need one rulebook, one adventure, and most importantly the decision to use all the rules later editions stripped out. That's encumbrance, tracking time and resources, wandering monster checks, reaction rolls, morale rolls, and xp for gold. OSR is the game that emerges out of using all that, not a subreddit.
Hi, the OSR has gone nuts. A good example is the OSR discord:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]4675[/ATTACH]
Nobody fact checks.
Zak, you're like Candyman!
If you pop into OSR discord to drop some truth bombs, let Erika know even she isn't too much of a shithead for us.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1140569Zak, you're like Candyman!
If you pop into OSR discord to drop some truth bombs, let Erika know even she isn't too much of a shithead for us.
Well, some of us. I'm perfectly fine letting the mentally ill woke retards continue to both fear and loath this little corner of the web. It keeps me from having to maintain a large ignore file.
A little closer to the thread topic: did you guys see some other asshole jump on after /r/osr announced no talking about Zak's work try to get Raggi's products banned too (https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/hsf2oe/extend_promotion_ban_to_raggi/)? OP absolutely made the sensible call as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1140575I'm perfectly fine letting the mentally ill woke retards continue to both fear and loath this little corner of the web.
1) We never want to become an echo chamber ourselves.
2) Opposing voices help us remember we're a free speech forum.
3) New chew toys are fun.
The entire OSR is overrun with SJWs. It's not just Reddit and it's not just Discord. Play the games, ignore the community.
Quote from: Spinachcat;11406311) We never want to become an echo chamber ourselves.
2) Opposing voices help us remember we're a free speech forum.
3) New chew toys are fun.
Yeah, Mistwell must get lonely.
There's a handful of tabletop gamers on
r/Kotakuinaction and now
Kotakuinaction.win but it's mostly complaining, not tabletop discussion.
Quote from: hedgehobbit;1140649The entire OSR is overrun with SJWs. It's not just Reddit and it's not just Discord. Play the games, ignore the community.
Yep this is true, and it's a nice victory for the SJWs. The OSR could have hardened into an explicitly anti-Woke scene with stronger leadership. Unfortunately people like J Mal and Zak S were at the helm, who were comically easy to topple.
Quote from: Mjollnir;1140015There's your problem.
For once, Mjollnir is right about something. Reddit is utter cancer in and of itself, and it's now a lot worse with the recent wrongthink purges.
Quote from: Libramarian;1140672Yep this is true, and it's a nice victory for the SJWs. The OSR could have hardened into an explicitly anti-Woke scene with stronger leadership. Unfortunately people like J Mal and Zak S were at the helm, who were comically easy to topple.
It's an overstatement to say the hobby was "overrun" by them. Out of personal experience, they remain just an annoying and loud minority. 8~20 users out of 18k+ on the most popular subs. Once you show them you don't give two shits about their twisted thoughts they'll fuck off. The issue here is that the larger publishers are trapped in their game and simply won't take a gamble.
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1140681It's an overstatement to say the hobby was "overrun" by them. Out of personal experience, they remain just an annoying and loud minority. 8~20 users out of 18k+ on the most popular subs. Once you show them you don't give two shits about their twisted thoughts they'll fuck off. The issue here is that the larger publishers are trapped in their game and simply won't take a gamble.
I'm not so sure about those numbers. I see them flow out of the cracks in droves whenever one of their banners of Jihad is raised. Even if they are relatively small in number (which I'm not sure about) they are still powerful simply by virtue of being willing to raise hell in support of their aims. They can't simply be waited out or ignored, they have to be actively countered or they
will win, time after time.
Quote from: Zak S;1140567Hi, the OSR has gone nuts. A good example is the OSR discord:
(pic snipped claiming that Zak S was banned from TheRPGSite)
Nobody fact checks.
Well, it's not like you're popping in to tell us how wrong or right we are about X random game.
Or maybe you have and I just don't frequent the right threads. :)
Quote from: Zak S;1140567Hi, the OSR has gone nuts. A good example is the OSR discord:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]4675[/ATTACH]
Nobody fact checks.
So when in the hell are you going to defend yourself from Mandy's accusations? Seriously I want this he said she said shit to die.
Don't think anyone even remembers that anymore. Private life matters should remain private. I'm confident other writers/publishers have skeletons in their closet just like anyone else.
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1140918Don't think anyone even remembers that anymore. Private life matters should remain private. I'm confident other writers/publishers have skeletons in their closet just like anyone else.
Oh they remember and this false accusation shit is destroying men. It destroyed ZakS future sales in One Bookshelf which is a major lost to anyone.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1140910So when in the hell are you going to defend yourself from Mandy's accusations? Seriously I want this he said she said shit to die.
You do realize he did it a few days after those accusation came out, AND there's an ongoing legal proceeding in Canada, initiated by Zak, about just that... don't you?
Quote from: Luca;1140951You do realize he did it a few days after those accusation came out, AND there's an ongoing legal proceeding in Canada, initiated by Zak, about just that... don't you?
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1140027That kind of behavior is common on Reddit and common on Rpg.net (where a dissenting opinion can get you perma-banned).
It's that attitude which brought me here.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1140910So when in the hell are you going to defend yourself from Mandy's accusations? Seriously I want this he said she said shit to die.
Quote from: Luca;1140951You do realize he did it a few days after those accusation came out, AND there's an ongoing legal proceeding in Canada, initiated by Zak, about just that... don't you?
Yup. Once the lawyers come out, you don't say SHIT about the case till it's done. Running your mouth on the Internet is a great way to screw yourself up.
Practice delayed gratification. It's worth it.
Quote from: Zak S;1140963^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Is this against Mandy? If so I will apologize. I am just sick of these cancel culture shit because it is destroying people.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1141074Is this against Mandy? If so I will apologize. I am just sick of these cancel culture shit because it is destroying people.
IIRC he made some rather lengthy blog posts about it that contained testimony from others who had lived with them at the time of some of the alleged incidents. They directly contradicted Mandy's version of events in a rather damning fashion.
Quote from: K9ine;1140020Good to know. Know of any good communities?
This site is all there is.
Quote from: Arkansan;1141117IIRC he made some rather lengthy blog posts about it that contained testimony from others who had lived with them at the time of some of the alleged incidents. They directly contradicted Mandy's version of events in a rather damning fashion.
Did they go to court?
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1140974Once the lawyers come out, you don't say SHIT about the case till it's done. Running your mouth on the Internet is a great way to screw yourself up.
Practice delayed gratification. It's worth it.
THIS is absolutely crucial life advice. All your social media is discoverable and once verified, it's (often) admissible as evidence.
Quote from: K9ine;1140014My question is should I bother with OSR at all?
If you like Old School gaming, whether its via original TSR games or the bazillion retro-whatevers created over the years, then it's worth bothering with the OSR because IMO there's so much cool stuff being created and celebrated.
Of course, every forum is going to have its own "culture"...or lack thereof.
As for "bothering with the OSR", its also important to know where you stand on the whole OSR shenanigans. AKA, are you mostly interested in revisiting TSR-era games? Or new stuff to play with those old games? Or new stuff created in the spirit of the old games? Or a mix of those?
Knowing your OSR focus will also help determine which forums might be the best choice.
Quote from: Arkansan;1140104You might also check out the OD&D forums, https://odd74.proboards.com/ (https://odd74.proboards.com/). Finarvyn runs a tight ship and the signal to noise ratio of the conversation is excellent.
I saw an absolutely disgusting bit of modding over there in the legacy content thread. It's one thing to lock a thread, it's another to use that to get the last word in.
QuoteAnd if the next words you say are not "yes, Sir, I am terribly sorry, Sir",
What a power-mad cunt.
Quote from: Arkansan;1140734I'm not so sure about those numbers. I see them flow out of the cracks in droves whenever one of their banners of Jihad is raised. Even if they are relatively small in number (which I'm not sure about) they are still powerful simply by virtue of being willing to raise hell in support of their aims. They can't simply be waited out or ignored, they have to be actively countered or they will win, time after time.
They're substantially more than 8 to 20 people. I lost 100+ customers alone out of a customer base of 500 over woke-related issues. 20%. And it's not like a game called "Adventurer Conqueror King" with a scantily-clad woman on the cover is going out of its way to attract the woke in the first place.
I estimate the SJW crowd to make up at least 10% of the OSR and possibly 20%. And, as usual, they have disproprotionate influence over institutions, with wokesters controlling Wizards, Paizo, DriveThruRPG, RPG.net, ENWorld, reddit/rpg, reddit/osr, and the OSR discord, not to mention Kickstarter's RPG channel.
Quote from: amacris;1144247They're substantially more than 8 to 20 people. I lost 100+ customers alone out of a customer base of 500 over woke-related issues. 20%. And it's not like a game called "Adventurer Conqueror King" with a scantily-clad woman on the cover is going out of its way to attract the woke in the first place.
I estimate the SJW crowd to make up at least 10% of the OSR and possibly 20%. And, as usual, they have disproprotionate influence over institutions, with wokesters controlling Wizards, Paizo, DriveThruRPG, RPG.net, ENWorld, reddit/rpg, reddit/osr, and the OSR discord, not to mention Kickstarter's RPG channel.
Greetings!
Stay STRONG, brother! Resist them in every way that you can!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Mr_X;1144238I saw an absolutely disgusting bit of modding over there in the legacy content thread. It's one thing to lock a thread, it's another to use that to get the last word in.
What a power-mad cunt.
Yeah, I just read the thread and that was pretty egregious. It's clear the mod in question allowed personal political sentiment to dictate his response. If that's indicative of admin sentiment or a harbinger of things to come for the site then I'll be parting ways. I'm seriously disappointed.
Quote from: amacris;1144247They're substantially more than 8 to 20 people. I lost 100+ customers alone out of a customer base of 500 over woke-related issues. 20%. And it's not like a game called "Adventurer Conqueror King" with a scantily-clad woman on the cover is going out of its way to attract the woke in the first place.
I estimate the SJW crowd to make up at least 10% of the OSR and possibly 20%. And, as usual, they have disproprotionate influence over institutions, with wokesters controlling Wizards, Paizo, DriveThruRPG, RPG.net, ENWorld, reddit/rpg, reddit/osr, and the OSR discord, not to mention Kickstarter's RPG channel.
There certainly seems to be a tendency to underestimate them. People expecting the woke crowd to go away or leave them alone fundamentally misunderstand who they are. Just the other day I was called liar on the OSR subreddit for stating that you are not in fact a Nazi.
Quote from: Mr_X;1144238I saw an absolutely disgusting bit of modding over there in the legacy content thread. It's one thing to lock a thread, it's another to use that to get the last word in.
What a power-mad cunt.
I like how Rafael claims that "owning [errors] is the only gentlemanly way to deal with them" at the same time as he is threatening to change a posters user name to dicklicker.
Because that is obviously the gentlemanly thing to do to some one whose next words are not "yes, Sir, I am terribly sorry, Sir".
Once again proof that the ones who complain the loudest and most vociferously about the importance of social justice are actually the worst of us in their hearts.
Quote from: Shasarak;1144266I like how Rafael claims that "owning [errors] is the only gentlemanly way to deal with them" at the same time as he is threatening to change a posters user name to dicklicker.
This is the same guy that had me perma-banned from the
0D&D74 Message Boards, ...because he is a mod over there too. This is also the same guy that falsely accuses people of being sock puppets because he is using a IP tracker to track and monitor logins on the 0D&D74 and Dragonsfoot message forums. I use Tor alot becuase often I don't want people to know who I am when I visit a message board, or when I'm visiting, but that isn't why he banned me, he's too stupid to figure out where the real traffic is coming from, that is coming to his website.
He perma-banned me from the
0D&D74 Message Board because I refused to unfriend
Halenar Frosthelm and quit posting over at the
The Ruins of Murkhill, an old school message board, becuase Halenar had offended him (Like I care about that in any way...).
He also moved some old school threads over at the 0D&D74 message boards, threads specifically about the history of Judges Guild, and the contributions of Dave Arneson to creating Dungeons & Dragons, and made them inaccessible to most visitors, which is one of the reasons I objected. He's a dirtbag that doesn't belong in old school gaming circles because of his proclivity in attempting to control the narrative of gaming history and alter it.
There's european money flowing into this attempt to change the history of RPGs. Not sure if this is linked to the sjw's yet, however wouldn't be surprised if they are two sides of the coin so to speak. Whenever I think of this Skotos also comes to mind, which was an old forge/storygamer message board with lots of eurocats that made an unsuccessful run in trying to dominate the online RPG scene from like 1998 to 2006 or so.
If anyone here had any additional insights or information to contribute about this phenomenon, would be very interested to learn more about it.
Rafael = Loser. Liar, and Bully. And that has been my personal experience in interacting with him.
Quote from: GameDaddy;1144272There's european money flowing into this attempt to change the history of RPGs.
Always got to watch out for those Europeans. They're everywhere! :eek:
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1140036Out of personal experience, don't bother with reddit for tabletop subs. It's as toxic as it gets.
I don't know about that. TBP is a total mess where wrong think sees many people banned.
Quote from: S'mon;1144277Always got to watch out for those Europeans. They're everywhere! :eek:
When I say Europeans, I really mean English, of course. But hey, ...new information has come to light, looks like roleplaying was happening in
Jolly Olde England in a style we are very familiar with, long before there were any roleplaying games happening here in the United States. That doesn't merit the domination attempts by the English in the U.S. RPG gaming markets though. Like always, they want the largest piece of the pie here, without putting in the work. Good luck with that.
Interestingly, this older version of roleplay starts out with a collection of toy soldiers. My experiences were very similar with that first buy of boxed sets of Airfix and Revell 1/72 soldiers occurring in the summer of 1971. Bought from the german toy store for one Deutsche Mark which was 25c at the time. Now the same boxes retail for $10 or more. Anyway, interesting link of the day for you...
The authors of
Wuthering Heights and
Jane Eyre were roleplaying long before
Dungeons & Dragons.
https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/feature/brontes-roleplaying-before-dnd?fbclid=IwAR1HcSxOzlChT1lqTGT0twJsfLtVXkeOhq1krRsgaIMprUTI4lpn97RDc7Q (https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/feature/brontes-roleplaying-before-dnd?fbclid=IwAR1HcSxOzlChT1lqTGT0twJsfLtVXkeOhq1krRsgaIMprUTI4lpn97RDc7Q)
Wonder what people are going to do when they learn that women were the first roleplayers?
Quote from: GameDaddy;1144298That doesn't merit the domination attempts by the English in the U.S. RPG gaming markets though. Like always, they want the largest piece of the pie here, without putting in the work.
Can you give some examples of what you're talking about? Modiphius maybe? Dragonsfoot.org?
Quote from: S'mon;1144299Can you give some examples of what you're talking about? Modiphius maybe? Dragonsfoot.org?
Not
Modiphus, although I do find it noteworthy that they have licenses to publish RPG and tabletop games for many American games including
Star Trek, Fallout, and the Elder Scrolls from Bethesda studios, John Carter, Conan, and Thunderbirds, so it certainly appears they have a strategy in place to attempt to dominate the U.S. RPG Markets in creating a monopoly of IPs.
As for the problems with
Raphael over on the OD&D74 would love to provide some examples, however my account remains banned over there by him with the support of
Finarvyn, so am unable to show you the direct messages with threats sent to me by
Raphael. I'd be surprised if my PMs were still there though, considering all the old school threads and messages that were eliminated, deleted, or otherwise moved by the admins over at
0D&D74 Proboards.
Quote from: GameDaddy;1144300Not Modiphus, although I do find it noteworthy that they have licenses to publish RPG and tabletop games for many American games including Star Trek, Fallout, and the Elder Scrolls from Bethesda studios, John Carter, Conan, and Thunderbirds, so it certainly appears they have a strategy in place to attempt to dominate the U.S. RPG Markets in creating a monopoly of IPs.
As for the problems with Raphael over on the OD&D74 would love to provide some examples, however my account remains banned over there by him with the support of Finarvyn, so am unable to show you the direct messages with threats sent to me by Raphael. I'd be surprised if my PMs were still there though, considering all the old school threads and messages that were eliminated, deleted, or otherwise moved by the admins over at 0D&D74 Proboards.
Wow, so he was pming you threats? High quality mod behavior there.
Quote from: GameDaddy;1144300As for the problems with Raphael over on the OD&D74 would love to provide some examples, however my account remains banned over there by him with the support of Finarvyn, so am unable to show you the direct messages with threats sent to me by Raphael. I'd be surprised if my PMs were still there though, considering all the old school threads and messages that were eliminated, deleted, or otherwise moved by the admins over at 0D&D74 Proboards.
These are Englishmen?
Quote from: amacris;1144247They're substantially more than 8 to 20 people. I lost 100+ customers alone out of a customer base of 500 over woke-related issues. 20%. And it's not like a game called "Adventurer Conqueror King" with a scantily-clad woman on the cover is going out of its way to attract the woke in the first place.
You gained at least one. I heard about your product due to the controversy. Same for Zak.
Quote from: mightybrain;1144491You gained at least one. I heard about your product due to the controversy. Same for Zak.
Over the last several weeks I bought (roughly one a week, smuggled in under the wife's nose.)
Vornheim City System
Lion and Dragon softback
Star Adventurer Softback
DCC Softback
ACKS Hardback
Specifically because it's refreshing not to be told I'm a piece of shit by people who are supposedly trying to sell me stuff.
My only disappointment is it's going to be hard to get my group to change systems.
Quote from: mightybrain;1144491You gained at least one. I heard about your product due to the controversy. Same for Zak.
Yeah I intentionally purchased a copy of that expansion to ACKS, and then the core book itself, after being told on Reddit about how the author was an insufferably horrible person for working in association with that Milo guy.
Quote from: LiferGamer;1144614Over the last several weeks I bought (roughly one a week, smuggled in under the wife's nose.)
Vornheim City System
Lion and Dragon softback
Star Adventurer Softback
DCC Softback
ACKS Hardback
Specifically because it's refreshing not to be told I'm a piece of shit by people who are supposedly trying to sell me stuff.
My only disappointment is it's going to be hard to get my group to change systems.
Theres a dcc softback? Wow. I biught mine cause my loval game store had it for some reason.
I just got my copies of ACKs and The Player's Companion in the mail. I'm enjoying reading through the ACKs core book.
Quote from: GameDaddy;1144300Not Modiphus, although I do find it noteworthy that they have licenses to publish RPG and tabletop games for many American games including Star Trek, Fallout, and the Elder Scrolls from Bethesda studios, John Carter, Conan, and Thunderbirds, so it certainly appears they have a strategy in place to attempt to dominate the U.S. RPG Markets in creating a monopoly of IPs.
I think you need to actually find out what the word monopoly means and, while you're at it, type Thunderbirds into Google... Check where it was made. Check the nationality of it's creators. It will take you all of 5 seconds.
Quote from: Slambo;1144632Theres a dcc softback? Wow. I biught mine cause my loval game store had it for some reason.
It's a big, beautiful brick, with the best binding I've blundered by.
Mind you, I've been burned by several of the GURPS print runs.