I would like to play a game made by a genuine alt-righter. I'm talking about bonafide white nationalist. It's this morbid curiosity of mine. I'm really interested to see what kind of game that kind of person would make. The problem is, I can't find any of them in the industry. You would think that fantasy worlds about mythical heroes would be a ground zero for Alt-Righters, but that doesn't appear to be the case. So, I'm asking you. Do you know some white nationalist/Fascist that works in the RPG/Tabletop industry? Even if it's someone obscure, tell me.

I know about MYFAROG and RaHoWa, but those are not professional products and, frankly, they aren't that good from what I saw.

Also, I should add:

1. Please don't make this thread into a political debate. I'm not interested in defending nor condemning this kind of people. I'm just interested in their products (if they exist).
2. I'm not necessarily looking for alt-right games, but alt-right creators. Their games can be about anything, racist or not.
3. If you know someone fitting this description or if you are someone fitting this description, but don't want to go public with that information, send me a PM.

This is my first post on this site. What a way to start huh?

I think, outside of the two mentioned, you won't find any professional games made by professed white nationalists.

If you are looking for alt right game designers then I suggest that you ask the guys over at rpg.net.  They have a whole list of them

I realize that this is a shot in the dark at best, but who knows maybe there is someone really obscure.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1091500I think, outside of the two mentioned, you won't find any professional games made by professed white nationalists.

I'm struggling to think of any. (Setting aside the culture war accusations.)

Quote from: Shasarak;1091501If you are looking for alt right game designers then I suggest that you ask the guys over at rpg.net.  They have a whole list of them

Really? I can't seem to find the list in question. Also, I'm not sure that rpg.net is a reliable source on who's alt-right. It is safe to say that they are more than biased. Still, can I get a link? I would like to check it out.

Quote from: Hopladamus;1091499I would like to play a game made by a genuine alt-righter. I'm talking about bonafide white nationalist. It's this morbid curiosity of mine. I'm really interested to see what kind of game that kind of person would make. The problem is, I can't find any of them in the industry. You would think that fantasy worlds about mythical heroes would be a ground zero for Alt-Righters, but that doesn't appear to be the case. So, I'm asking you. Do you know some white nationalist/Fascist that works in the RPG/Tabletop industry? Even if it's someone obscure, tell me.

I know about MYFAROG and RaHoWa, but those are not professional products and, frankly, they aren't that good from what I saw.

Also, I should add:

1. Please don't make this thread into a political debate. I'm not interested in defending nor condemning this kind of people. I'm just interested in their products (if they exist).
2. I'm not necessarily looking for alt-right games, but alt-right creators. Their games can be about anything, racist or not.
3. If you know someone fitting this description or if you are someone fitting this description, but don't want to go public with that information, send me a PM.

This is my first post on this site. What a way to start huh?

Let's say that there are only 500 KKK members in the entire US. How many of them write RPGs and run them?

Let's say that there are only 300,000 ANTIFA members in the entire US. How many of them write RPGs and run them?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1091505Let's say that there are only 500 KKK members in the entire US. How many of them write RPGs and run them?

Let's say that there are only 300,000 ANTIFA members in the entire US. How many of them write RPGs and run them?

You have to admit. 4chan has made "geekdom" very attractive to alt-right.

RPG.net is going to feed you a list of people they have put on "The List" - not actual people who are white nationalists.

You should probably just try out one of the two you mentioned. I hardly imagine the experiment is going to net you any usable or even noteworthy data.

It is highly likely that a white nationalist game designer can make a perfectly NOT white nationalist game. Although many of the regressive-left seem incapable of making a solid game that doesn't take the idea of equality into absurd fun-ruining extremes, it's also likely many left-leaning game designers make perfectly fun NOT left-leaning games.

In fact, there's probably at least one game you've played that was made by a true dyed-in-the-wool racist. I'm also pretty sure you've likely played a game by a fanatic regressive-leftist. You probably had no idea.

If you're trying to get data points that prove that otherwise politically-minded people can make perfectly non-political games... we already recognize that. This site is full of reasonable adult people from all sides of the political spectrum that usually could give a shit about a designer's personal beliefs. Most of us DO however give a shit about fascists trying to tell us what to do which the hand-wringing regressive left spin-mongers constantly conflate with approval of their work. Which is actually quite frustrating because we desperately would like them to focus exclusively on their works (or gaming god forbid) and leave the fascism out of it... but alas here we are.

Also, sincerely how can you start a thread about finding games from a certain political segment of people and not expect the conversation to lean (at best...) a little political?

Quote from: trechriron;1091512RPG.net is going to feed you a list of people they have put on "The List" - not actual people who are white nationalists.

You should probably just try out one of the two you mentioned. I hardly imagine the experiment is going to net you any usable or even noteworthy data.

It is highly likely that a white nationalist game designer can make a perfectly NOT white nationalist game. Although many of the regressive-left seem incapable of making a solid game that doesn't take the idea of equality into absurd fun-ruining extremes, it's also likely many left-leaning game designers make perfectly fun NOT left-leaning games.

In fact, there's probably at least one game you've played that was made by a true dyed-in-the-wool racist. I'm also pretty sure you've likely played a game by a fanatic regressive-leftist. You probably had no idea.

If you're trying to get data points that prove that otherwise politically-minded people can make perfectly non-political games... we already recognize that. This site is full of reasonable adult people from all sides of the political spectrum that usually could give a shit about a designer's personal beliefs. Most of us DO however give a shit about fascists trying to tell us what to do which the hand-wringing regressive left spin-mongers constantly conflate with approval of their work. Which is actually quite frustrating because we desperately would like them to focus exclusively on their works (or gaming god forbid) and leave the fascism out of it... but alas here we are.

Also, sincerely how can you start a thread about finding games from a certain political segment of people and not expect the conversation to lean (at best...) a little political?

I'm perfectly aware that a racist can make a non-racist game. I'm just curious how that game would look like. MYFAROG and RaHoWa are kinda bad and overtly racist. There is just no nuance to them. Both games basically say "Whites good, everybody else bad" and that's the end of the story. That's because those people didn't set out to make a game but rather a propaganda piece in a game form.

Quote from: Hopladamus;1091507You have to admit. 4chan has made "geekdom" very attractive to alt-right.

I think before you get anywhere near to an appropriate answer, you need to tell us what definition of "alt-right" you are using.

Quote from: jeff37923;1091516I think before you get anywhere near to an appropriate answer, you need to tell us what definition of "alt-right" you are using.

I said it in my original post. A bonafide white nationalist/fascist.

I would argue that writing an RPG is the same as any other writing. Novels, technical manuals, computer language books, art design books, history books, etc.

H. P. Lovecraft was more racist (proper white upbringing and breeding, etc, was his view) in his early writing days than in his later writing days. But is there any difference seen in the stories that he wrote during those years?

I'm guessing that if you do find such a GM that you want to join their tabletop game of, you would have to be pure blooded of some kind. I doubt they'd let Blacks, Asians, Jews, etc at their gaming table.

I've stopped role-playing with people when I found out they were antisemitic. Because once they let that out there, it bleeds into how they role-play in your future game sessions.

Quote from: Hopladamus;1091517I said it in my original post. A bonafide white nationalist/fascist.

Isn't that just the "regular extremist right"? Where does the "alt" part comes into play?

Quote from: Pyromancer;1091525Isn't that just the "regular extremist right"? Where does the "alt" part comes into play?

I don't know, that's how they call themselves generally nowadays. But yes, They are generally far right. Do you know someone like that in the tabletop/RPG industry?