Quote from: Doc Sammy;1048261This guy gets it.

Even though I think V5 is going to suck, I may end up buying it just to spite RPG.net

I do find it interesting that someone was saying nothing in Vampire the Requiem (the other vampire game) allowed you to play vampire Nazis. Then someone posted a list of things that did just that, including a whole sub-faction of one of the major groups (of player characters) that was pro-Neo Nazi (they're in the Carthians book, for anyone who cares).

Then, a day later, the person who brought that up is permabanned. (The person only had 1 post and looks like they registered just for that... but interesting how they not only banned the person, they deleted the person's comment.)

Sure looks biased as hell.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1048261This guy gets it.

Even though I think V5 is going to suck, I may end up buying it just to spite RPG.net

Why is it going to suck? Ken Hite is the main writer and he's brilliant.

Quote from: Lurtch;1048284Why is it going to suck? Ken Hite is the main writer and he's brilliant.

Some of the earlier concepts that were being talked about sounded very silly...

It depends how much influence Hagen and Hite will actually have and if they've revised some of the earlier aspects that were being proposed.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1048253You also have to remember that TBP is a front for the old White Wolf and Onyx Path crown. And that they were going to attack anything new White Wolf put out. No matter what.

This type of venom and dishonesty is not anything new from that crowd. A bunch of entitled brats who believe that only they are the ones anointed to write for those properties. No matter who might actually own them.

New White Wolf committed a sin in their eyes. By choosing writers and other talent from outside of their sick little clique. And for them, that is heresy at the highest level.

One fact that will never change is this. That clique is the same group that ran White Wolf into the ground. And who sold it off to a MMO company that also ran it into the ground.

Also. Mark Rein-Hagan is also involved with Vampire 5th Edition. They actually went back to the original author and brought him back into the fold. So whatever Vampire 5th Edition was going to be. It certainly would not be built based on the input of those writers that drove the property to faiilure.

On the contrary. Have you even looked at the rpg.net thread on the article. Within a few posts Darren McClennan, of all people is there to attack the article.

"I am taking this article with a big grain of salt; just for instance, I don't believe that Zak S has identified with GamerGate or it's aims. There's plenty of material for stuff he has done, but confusing the issue doesn't help matters at all."

And Stephen Lea Sheppard...

"Brujah has always been Clan Ideologues With Crowbars. Past clanbooks had Nazi skinheads as pregen characters -- of course, Nazis weren't see as a going political concern back then."

"That does read to me less like he's saying "Nazis are a thing right now, so we need to market to them" and more like he's saying "Nazis are a thing right now, so we are going to put them in our game since our game is set in the present, and since our game is about vampires, vampires are going to use and promote Naziism to advance their own interests because that's how vampires would probably relate to Naziism.""

Then JustJo stepped into ban a guy who was defending the article.

If anything, the moderation staff is unusually protective of White Wolf.

Quote from: JeremyR;1048238Similarly, the story many people point to as exhibiting his "xenophobia", The Shadow over innsmouth, the narrator at the end realizes that he's actually one of them, and maybe they aren't so creepy after all. Which sets the tone for a lot of later Deep One stories by Derleth and Lumley, where they are portrayed more as creep humans than anything else.

He always leaves a shadow of the doubt over everything which is part of the horror. Zadok Allen is an old unreliable drunk, yet he has a grand tale to tell of the history of the town.

That is just one interpretation of the ending of The Shadow Over Innsmouth. Another is that having reached the point where he is clearly physically transforming into a Deep One, he has a very sudden reversal in his thinking. He could have changed his mind using rationality - but you never see those steps, as with all the rest of the meticulous reporting throughout the story. The transformation into a Deep One biologically overwrites a part of his personality, and he is no longer the same person as he was, but an 'other'.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1048213I just wanted to say I applaud this display of maturity and pushback against libel, even (especially!) for a rival. We degrade all of ourselves to let such misbehavior go unchallenged.

kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya!

We are all in this together and we should play fair, regardless of differences. Zak can be difficult and I believe he has stated that once exposed/defrocked/proven to be this or that that you are done, over, no soup for you. But I don't believe that. People can see the errors of their ways and there is a word called redemption, whether public or personal. And this blog post is late in tearing into him, like I said, Big Purple did it first and showed no mercy, this is a pale tantrum in comparison and in the end discredits Zak to shill something else? That is just lame and should have no traction.

Someone should ask on that TBP thread if the Garou are the ICE of the Spirit world? And should they be killed for it?

I see the little muppet has pulled the article... Due to 'harassment'. Haw haw haw...

If you want to read the (now removed) article, check this cached version...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CboU6p6vRl8J:www.dogwithdice.com/whitewolfaredead/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Quote from: The Exploited.;1048378I see the little muppet has pulled the article... Due to 'harassment'. Haw haw haw...

Quote from: The little muppet(Due to) vitriolic responses to the article from at least one popular feminist gaming critic (the article has been removed)

(Parenthetical portions mine, to explain context)

Huh? Why would a feminist critic have a problem with an SJW attack piece?

Quote from: AsenRG;1048266Actually, you did imply it by beginning your sentences using "or".
But the question itself was a rhetorical one. In fact, it wasn't really a question, and more like an answer.
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Aaaah.  So you're just a dick.  No worries.  I'll add you to my list.

Quote from: Azraele;1048060"White-Wolf tries to be edgy, comes off as tone-deaf jackasses"

... News at 11? Is this even new anymore? It's been happening for thirty years

45 pages of now locked thread at TBP and this is the gist of it.  A dice example of "1,4,8,8", a couple of dubious NPCs in early playtest materials, and a statement that demographically 1 in 4 Swedish purchasers of V5 will be in favor of deporting immigrants, but despite many posters asking for examples nothing that concretely supports any claim that NuWW are neoNazis or support same.  Lots of evidence that they are tone deaf jackasses though.

I still have no interest in V5. I still have my V:tM 1e and 2e rulebooks somewhere in storage if I ever get the itch to run the game again. But really I have kind of moved on.

Quote from: DavetheLost;104838945 pages of now locked thread at TBP and this is the gist of it.  A dice example of "1,4,8,8", a couple of dubious NPCs in early playtest materials, and a statement that demographically 1 in 4 Swedish purchasers of V5 will be in favor of deporting immigrants, but despite many posters asking for examples nothing that concretely supports any claim that NuWW are neoNazis or support same.  Lots of evidence that they are tone deaf jackasses though.

I still have no interest in V5. I still have my V:tM 1e and 2e rulebooks somewhere in storage if I ever get the itch to run the game again. But really I have kind of moved on.

I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Seriously, Vampire was awesome back in the 1990's.

Shame that Revised ended all that and it seems that V5 will be the final nail in the coffin.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1048390I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Seriously, Vampire was awesome back in the 1990's.

Shame that Revised ended all that and it seems that V5 will be the final nail in the coffin.

Why?

Quote from: TJS;1048386Aaaah.  So you're just a dick.  No worries.  I'll add you to my list.

Maybe I am. And you definitely can't take criticism, so I'll add you to my IL, too:).

Quote from: DavetheLost;1048389Lots of evidence that they are tone deaf jackasses though.

Some posters have already mentioned that this isn't much of a change...

Quote from: The Exploited.;1048378I see the little muppet has pulled the article... Due to 'harassment'. Haw haw haw...

What kind of harrassment?

Quote from: Aglondir;1048385(Parenthetical portions mine, to explain context)

Huh? Why would a feminist critic have a problem with an SJW attack piece?

Maybe he means TBP under "feminist critic"?
What I don't understand is why anyone would pull a piece due to criticism. But that's a different question.