When I look at this nonsense, as well as the stunt that TBP tried to pull on Mr. Macris I wonder how many times these clowns will be able to attack people before they are made to suffer legal consequences.

They can't just keep turning the firehose  on people forever. Eventually they will target the wrong person.

It can't happen soon enough for me.

Yours, Sir Roderick

Given that a modern ' natzi ' means being an ideological other and/or not submitting oneself to The Mob Cult of Approved Human Thought & Existence, I'm not at all surprised by this event.

Nothing from this group surprises me anymore.

They are either/or ideological zealots jihading within the safety and comforts of western society, against inner tribe (community) dissidents.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048080It is not longer politically correct to be racist against black people

But it is politically correct to racist against white people.

Just a friendly reminder. Please try to steer the topic back to RPGs or this thread will be locked or moved.

"Lovecraft was a contentious figure in terms of his writing – even at the time that he wrote them, his attitudes were racist and backwards, there is no getting away from that – but this game is quick to divorce itself from that as much as possible and focus on the terrifying nature of cosmic fear"
 
What clueless idiot. That's what happens when you judge things out of context. Lovecraft's views where backwards? Here's how Disney comics looked 20 years after Lovecraft's time.

https://inducks.org/fr/richard/barks/censored.html

And this is just an example as there are countless more to find for yourselves.

Quote from: John Scott;1048103And this is just an example as there are countless more to find for yourselves.

There are counter-examples. Counter-counter-examples? Racist attitudes have varied wildly across time and space, such as between the North and South United States. Lovecraft's contemporaries were quite disturbed by his statements, if that is worth repeating, but then again he lived in New England. His views might have been normal in the South at the time, but not the North at the time.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048107There are counter-examples. Counter-counter-examples? Racist attitudes have varied wildly across time and space, such as between the North and South United States. Lovecraft's contemporaries were quite disturbed by his statements, if that is worth repeating, but then again he lived in New England. His views might have been normal in the South at the time, but not the North at the time.

So Lovecraft was a backward thinking racist while at the same time the society around him and many years after where non racists and enjoyed themselves by reading racist comics!

Only a tool would believe such nonsense are you the author by any chance?

Quote from: John Scott;1048109So Lovecraft was a backward thinking racist while at the same time the society around him and many years after where non racists and enjoyed themselves by reading racist comics!

Only a tool would believe such nonsense are you the author by any chance?

I am not the author and I am not arguing any of that.

Societies are not consistently racist across time and space. Lovecraft's own peers decried his views, so any argument that his views conclusively represented the times he lived are erroneous. Certainly his views must have been held by others at the time, as they are held today, but those views were not held by his own peers. Clearly, we can deduce from this that the entirety of the United States did not share a consistent amount of racism in the early 20th century.

Furthermore, it makes no sense to assume that absolutely everyone was racist to that degree at any point in time. If they were, then there never would have been a civil rights movement. Clearly some of the white people have grown or always been sympathetic towards black people, because otherwise they never would have considered abolishing slavery.

Also the moment that Chaosium is going to strip the rich 1920's setting of it's authenticity to please the lowest common denominator, it's the moment the game will lose it's edge and quality that set it above its competitors for so many years. Same goes for Pendragon rpg.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048110Lovecraft's own peers decried his views, so any argument that his views conclusively represented the times he lived are erroneous.

Who?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048110I am not the author and I am not arguing any of that.

Societies are not consistently racist across time and space. Lovecraft's own peers decried his views, so any argument that his views conclusively represented the times he lived are erroneous. Certainly his views must have been held by others at the time, as they are held today, but those views were not held by his own peers. Clearly, we can deduce from this that the entirety of the United States did not share a consistent amount of racism in the early 20th century.

Furthermore, it makes no sense to assume that absolutely everyone was racist to that degree at any point in time. If they were, then there never would have been a civil rights movement. Clearly some of the white people have grown or always been sympathetic towards black people, because otherwise they never would have considered abolishing slavery.

Got any proof of this disagreement with his views? Which of Lovecraft's peers decried his views?

Quote from: John Scott;1048111Also the moment that Chaosium is going to strip the rich 1920's setting of it's authenticity to please the lowest common denominator, it's the moment the game will lose it's edge and quality

Yeah, I feel the same... We always just played how we thought it should be in order to keep to the authenticity of Lovecraft's stories non-PC tropes and all. It never meant we agreed with it of course in real life. We did the same for Howard's Solomon Kane.

Quote from: The Exploited.;1048115Yeah, I feel the same... We always just played how we thought it should be in order to keep to the authenticity of Lovecraft's stories non-PC tropes and all. It never meant we agreed with it of course in real life. We did the same for Howard's Solomon Kane.

God man it's almost like you were roleplaying or something...

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048107There are counter-examples. Counter-counter-examples? Racist attitudes have varied wildly across time and space, such as between the North and South United States. Lovecraft's contemporaries were quite disturbed by his statements, if that is worth repeating, but then again he lived in New England. His views might have been normal in the South at the time, but not the North at the time.

This is a monumentally stupid statement. You have apparently never been to Boston. It is notorious for "voluntary" racial segregation in nieghberhoods and racial problems within the police. They often have racial slurs being thrown at the outfielders at ball games in both Philly and Boston.

Have you heard of any problems in Baltimore over the last couple of years? Do you think that happened overnight?

I assure you "racism" was and still is alive and well in new England and the North in general.

Your argument based on geography of the author is something you dreamed up and can't possibly prove. Sorry, your entire argument is a tired stereotype against the South that has never held up (that the there is no racism in the North, but those Rednecks in the South....). Tired of the stupidity of this argument.

Quote from: The Exploited.;1048115Yeah, I feel the same... We always just played how we thought it should be in order to keep to the authenticity of Lovecraft's stories non-PC tropes and all. It never meant we agreed with it of course in real life. We did the same for Howard's Solomon Kane.

Absolutely! Howard was another writer used as a scapegoat for the simple fact that he was a southerner who lived in the 20's.