Why is it that some of the most bigoted, elitist, and closed minded people in every corner of gaming are european?

We see it ALOT over in the LARP circles.
We see it ALOT over in the board gaming circles.
And they sure as heck push Storygaming or Storytelling sans the game part in RPGs.
Whats next? Video games?

And more oft than not extremists in each field. Seen it time and again in LARPing where they push that the only "real" LARPs are with real weapons and real armor and its not "real" until you bleed. And same with RPGs. The only "real" RPGs are storygames or better yet just storytelling. COYA books are really real RPGS!

Quote from: Omega on January 29, 2021, 05:18:32 AM
Why is it that some of the most bigoted, elitist, and closed minded people in every corner of gaming are european?

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Seen it time and again in LARPing where they push that the only "real" LARPs are with real weapons and real armor and its not "real" until you bleed.

Are you fucking kidding? That sounds ridiculously dangerous.

Then again with all the health and safety bullshit these days (yes I know how old I sound!), it's almost refreshing.

Quote from: GameDaddy on January 28, 2021, 06:33:45 PM

Quote from: Mishihari on January 28, 2021, 06:55:03 AM

Alright, you got me curious.  What was wrong with Skotos?  I know nothing about them, but I just glanced at their website and saw the "we're shutting down, bye!" message.  The basic idea of the site looked interesting, but I didn't look in any depth.

Skotos was a storytelling/narrative website founded by Europeans (mostly) with very deep pockets in the 90's. In it's original incarnation it was a phenomenal place, one where one could go online and working with other contributors, create these fantastic interactive stories online. Part RPG, part MUD, part LARP, it was a website ahead of it's time by more than a couple decades. The only problem was, the founders had some very unusual ideas about intellectual property, and about fantasy gaming in general, and as it evolved, they worked so that only their "narratives" and "goals" became the narratives and goals that everyone was supposed to adopt when creating interactive online experiences, and they tried to force us to adopt their agendas and goals with of course... predictable results. They also claimed all IP from anything and everything written on their site, so of course, I stopped writing, very shortly after I started.

I had actually joined RPG.net about the same time, and back then, it was a pretty much normal  gaming website supporting 3e and lots of indy gaming. There was a wide variety of viewpoints, constant, high quality new game reviews, and an atmosphere of Renaissance brought about by the WOTC buyout of TSR and the imminent release of 3e with open gaming included. It was a fun optimistic place where one could go to learn about RPGs in general, D&D 3e and a host of cool and interesting Indy games.

Around 2005-2006 I had my first incident of being censored over on RPG.net where some discussion threads were arbitrarily closed before the discussions were naturally finished. In 2008 I attended a party at GenCon hosted by PirateCat from RPG.net where we met him in person. He had thrown the party because more conflicts were happening online over on RPG.net that he wasn't understanding, and he wanted all the Americans on RPG.net to get together for what basically amounted to a peace conference. Unfortunately the mods that were creating controversy, of course didn't attend, or at least didn't attend when me and Koltar were there. PirateCat was all about advocating for peace and reasoned discourse, so was pretty cool to hang out with. If any contentious mods were there, they were incognito, and very civil, unlike when they were online. Wait, maybe that was the Enworld party...

Anyway, in 2009 I learned that Skotos had either bought RPG.net, or had founded it. Then I knew what was going to happen at RPG.net becuase it had already happened on Skotos. Basically they drove off all their best mods, and most of their visitors with their Cthulu based ideology about gaming and gamers, and Skotos collapsed into an echo chamber of insanity and despair. 

My gut feeling is there a consortium of Euro gamers and business folk who think they own RPGs becuase you know, every decent RPG was based on Tolkien... and all our bases belong to them lolollololollol!!!!  ....and they keep interfering in the American gaming Industry, Kinda like how Eurogame companies have taken over most of the gaming and RPG distribution channels here in the States over the last two decades... and they don't want FLGS to truly succeed... They want Megacorps and the olde great printing houses of yore to succeed. Oh, they don't play nice, either, and destroy any possible company that is competing with them, whenever they can...

This amuses me because I spent a lot of time in the 90's and 00's playing on MUDs and MUSHes, and for Skotos to act like they're some kind of zeitgeist setter is funny as hell.

Quote from: Marchand on January 29, 2021, 06:06:40 AM

Quote from: Omega on January 29, 2021, 05:18:32 AM
Why is it that some of the most bigoted, elitist, and closed minded people in every corner of gaming are european?

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Seen it time and again in LARPing where they push that the only "real" LARPs are with real weapons and real armor and its not "real" until you bleed.

Are you fucking kidding? That sounds ridiculously dangerous.

Then again with all the health and safety bullshit these days (yes I know how old I sound!), it's almost refreshing.

It is ridiculously dangerous and euro-LARPs have a much higher instance of injury that those dirty filthy ol american LARPs. Usually I just hear of scraped, bruises and the occasional cuts. But they field alot more broken bones. They also push for non-safety tipped arrows.

In the US weve seen various trying to push this as well and as they escalate from boffers to latex to real swords they have had to also increase the requirements that to play you have to wear real armour because surprise surprise, injuries increased exponentially. And it all comes across as so eletist.

That and a cultist level obsession with "immersion".

Quote from: Omega on January 29, 2021, 05:18:32 AM
Why is it that some of the most bigoted, elitist, and closed minded people in every corner of gaming are european?

Because you dont speak Chinese.

Self selection bias.

I guess. It's crazy that this site is FILLED with people banned or ran away from Big Purple simply due to their SJW mods.

As hot as RPGs are, especially D&D, you can't say, "Yeah, go check out rpg.net", because your referral might get banned for having an opinion outside of the mods.

I caught a ban a few weeks ago for posting exactly what the OP asked. It's just bad business, as if a Nihilist doesn't understand Capitalism. Crazy, right?

That site is DOOMED.

RPG.net has always been a clusterscrew of a community.  The mods were always vicious bullies and the userbase always prone to targeting hate mobs at people for any reason or none at all.

The Social Justice slant just allows them to have a veneer of righteousness while they carry on doing what they were always going to do anyway.

Out of curiosity I finally registered an account on RPG.net. I immediately motored to the "Infractions" forum, where warnings and bans are posted for all to see.

And the first thing I read is this one:

Daz Florp Lebam receives a 🚫 Thirty-Day Ban - Cultural appropriation

For what? For posting ideas about how his cleric could build a "Sweat Lodge" ritual.

These RPG.net people are sick in the head. They should consult a psychiatrist ASAP. I'm totally serious.

Quote from: Reckall on February 02, 2021, 07:48:24 AM
Out of curiosity I finally registered an account on RPG.net. I immediately motored to the "Infractions" forum, where warnings and bans are posted for all to see.

And the first thing I read is this one:

Daz Florp Lebam receives a 🚫 Thirty-Day Ban - Cultural appropriation

For what? For posting ideas about how his cleric could build a "Sweat Lodge" ritual.

These RPG.net people are sick in the head. They should consult a psychiatrist ASAP. I'm totally serious.

You don't need an account to read Infractions, but yeah. No arguments from this corner.

Ol' Jim receives a 🚫 One Day Ban - Disrespecting Chicken McNuggets

I mean... You can't make this shit up.😶

Quote from: Reckall on February 02, 2021, 07:48:24 AM
Out of curiosity I finally registered an account on RPG.net. I immediately motored to the "Infractions" forum, where warnings and bans are posted for all to see.

And the first thing I read is this one:

Daz Florp Lebam receives a 🚫 Thirty-Day Ban - Cultural appropriation

For what? For posting ideas about how his cleric could build a "Sweat Lodge" ritual.

These RPG.net people are sick in the head. They should consult a psychiatrist ASAP. I'm totally serious.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/thane-of-fife-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-declaring-representation-is-too-much-work.876587/

Seconded about as bad as this guy receiving a similar ban for daring to write that he did not want to do write a setting book while also doing a ton of research to make sure that everyone and anyone would not be offended. Speaking for myself if I have to go through that much trouble than pay me for my time. Otherwise fuck that I have a life to lvie and it's not going to be spent worrying if I offend everyone and anyone as a writer.

At this point they have reached peak insanity imo. Yet you will have posters here who not only declare that this site is more repressive and regressive, they also don't have the stones to comment or speak negatively about rpg.net. For fear of being banned at rpg.net or going against their personal narrative that the rpg.site is the most repressive and regressive site ever.

They should be embarrassed and ashamed imo when their infractions forums seems to have more new posts than the entire site combined.

In brief: A joyless sorry bunch of self righteous gossamer skinned white knighting fuckstick snowflakes.

I guess they missed one of the most important lessons that popular culture recently gave to "critics":

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dave_chappelle_sticks_and_stones

Now, bye for a while. I posted a link without accompanying it with a comment. No really 

Quote from: Reckall on February 02, 2021, 08:22:13 AM
Ol' Jim receives a 🚫 One Day Ban - Disrespecting Chicken McNuggets

I mean... You can't make this shit up.😶

  That looks like the kind of ban used to test out someone's new moderating privileges.

Quote from: Reckall on February 02, 2021, 07:48:24 AM
Out of curiosity I finally registered an account on RPG.net. I immediately motored to the "Infractions" forum, where warnings and bans are posted for all to see.

And the first thing I read is this one:

Daz Florp Lebam receives a 🚫 Thirty-Day Ban - Cultural appropriation

For what? For posting ideas about how his cleric could build a "Sweat Lodge" ritual.

These RPG.net people are sick in the head. They should consult a psychiatrist ASAP. I'm totally serious.

RuneQuest creator Greg Stafford died in his sweat lodge. Maybe the mods at rpgnet put a permaban on him?

Too soon?