Dated and Aging Rule Sets

The Ent · October 04, 2014, 01:37:12 PM

Quote from: Will;790134Also, WW republished a bunch of Fafhrd and Grey Mouser books, which were cool. (And alas lost in a move, bah)

Yeah, they're awesome. Mignola's covers Are a perfect fit.

Armchair Gamer · October 04, 2014, 02:58:34 PM

Quote from: Will;790134Also, WW republished a bunch of Fafhrd and Grey Mouser books, which were cool. (And alas lost in a move, bah)

A fact that's a bit ironic considering the direction of this thread--I purchased the first collection of those (in mass market paperback) based on the recommendation of Steve Miller ... who was working for TSR at the time.

And if Inphobia articles are still grounds for critiquing WW, should we start dragging out some of Gygax's rants about how "if you change the rules, you're not properly mastering the game of AD&D, and playing the game 'well' is the summum bonum?"

The Butcher · October 04, 2014, 06:51:49 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;790171And if Inphobia articles are still grounds for critiquing WW, should we start dragging out some of Gygax's rants about how "if you change the rules, you're not properly mastering the game of AD&D, and playing the game 'well' is the summum bonum?"

:popcorn:

David Johansen · October 04, 2014, 07:21:50 PM

Some standardization in the #1 game is desirable but Gygax certainly went through his "Soup Nazi" phase there.

I don't think I'd agree that all rpgs are the same game but they're a narrower class than just board games and can even overlap a bit there sometimes. I think broadly there's the more war game play style and the more storytelling play style. Sometimes I wonder if there's a silly and a serious style too but I've never encountered the later.

Of course, if one wanted to model and categorize rpg-classes it would have to be done like the D&D alignment graph.

Phillip · October 04, 2014, 08:26:04 PM

Quote from: David Johansen;790238Some standardization in the #1 game is desirable but Gygax certainly went through his "Soup Nazi" phase there.

I don't think I'd agree that all rpgs are the same game but they're a narrower class than just board games and can even overlap a bit there sometimes. I think broadly there's the more war game play style and the more storytelling play style. Sometimes I wonder if there's a silly and a serious style too but I've never encountered the later.

Of course, if one wanted to model and categorize rpg-classes it would have to be done like the D&D alignment graph.

http://jrients.blogspot.com/2006/02/i-got-your-threefold-model-right-here.html

David Johansen · October 05, 2014, 10:44:06 AM

Nah, Stupid, Retro, and Pretentious can all exist in the same game in equal amounts at any level on the scale. Theoretically a game could be infinitely Stupid, Retro, and Pretentious at the same time. So while they're certainly measurable quantities they don't work when building a continuum.

RPGPundit · October 06, 2014, 02:42:16 AM

I would say, curiously, that even the best 90s games seem more "dated" at this point in time than the best old-school games. But that's a byproduct of the OSR's popularity.

Dated and Aging Rule Sets

The Ent

Armchair Gamer

The Butcher

David Johansen

Phillip

David Johansen

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