Quote from: AsenRG;1038798About Uruguay, I don't know. But since you didn't specify, I assumed you're talking about "the modern world" or something:).

What did you think "Here" meant?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1039097What did you think "Here" meant?

USA, actually, due to all your talk about US politics:).
And since I've heard quite a bit of this same complaint from US gamers, I had no option but to disbelieve what you said;).

Well, now you know.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1039372Well, now you know.

Yeah, and those were 3 posts that added nothing. And now I've written the 4th one:).
Just let this thread die already, Pundit, it did serve its goal;)!

Quote from: AsenRG;1039375Yeah, and those were 3 posts that added nothing. And now I've written the 4th one:).
Just let this thread die already, Pundit, it did serve its goal;)!

Then stop responding.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1039992Then stop responding.

I seldom stop responding to threads that I have created;).

Quote from: AsenRG;1033500Full story on my blog. But I'm sure I'd meet understanding, here;).

http://aflashingbladeandpanache.blogspot.bg/2018/04/i-committed-refereeing-sin-seeking.html

Very late here, but I read the story.

I guess my only dispute is what the "sin" is.  To me it isn't really the use of a fiddly point to manipulate the world.  It seems more a case of a scenario design where that particular event had to happen so that everything else could continue.

And that shit happens sometimes.

Nowadays I sometimes look at situations like this and wonder.  In this situation the player had a resource.  It wasn't a critical resource.  It wasn't even a resource the player was particularly concerned with or would even have otherwise used.  Then you as GM asked the player to expend that negligible resource so events could move on.  Essentially the gaming hook was that the player had to lose some points since they weren't inherently playing well enough to move forward on their own.  Yet, that "punishment" of forcing the player to pay that resource wasn't really consequential, nor was it really your intent to "punish" the player.  The expenditure of the resource was nothing more than an excuse for you to hand out the information you wanted to hand out anyway and move events forward.

So, why have the illusion of it costing the player anything?  And then the question gets a lot more complex.

Quote from: Gabriel2;1040227Very late here, but I read the story.

I guess my only dispute is what the "sin" is.  To me it isn't really the use of a fiddly point to manipulate the world.  It seems more a case of a scenario design where that particular event had to happen so that everything else could continue.

And that shit happens sometimes.

Nowadays I sometimes look at situations like this and wonder.  In this situation the player had a resource.  It wasn't a critical resource.  It wasn't even a resource the player was particularly concerned with or would even have otherwise used.  Then you as GM asked the player to expend that negligible resource so events could move on.  Essentially the gaming hook was that the player had to lose some points since they weren't inherently playing well enough to move forward on their own.  Yet, that "punishment" of forcing the player to pay that resource wasn't really consequential, nor was it really your intent to "punish" the player.  The expenditure of the resource was nothing more than an excuse for you to hand out the information you wanted to hand out anyway and move events forward.

So, why have the illusion of it costing the player anything?  And then the question gets a lot more complex.

That would have been true if it was a scenario:).
It wasn't. She was following her character's goal to ingratiate herself to the noblewoman. She didn't want to give up on it, but didn't have ideas about how, and we were wasting time.
So it cost her some Hero die to get some dirt on the main witness to the murder. (I knew he's got a secret date, but I didn't want the player to find out. I was myself able to think of other approaches as well).
And usually I don't care whether the characters succeed, because failing in their plans also gets us somewhere. But failing to make a plan is just boring.

Quote from: AsenRG;1040034I seldom stop responding to threads that I have created;).

I forgot you were the OP. Fair enough.