The grognard crowd is having a ball watching the meltdowns at EN World.

I can't believe someone's not come up with a "4DWIN" joke yet.

FORWARD...
TO 4DVENTURE!

Other than that:

1) Digital Revolution yadda yadda: zzzzz... The stuff mentioned in that enworld post boils down to a chargen program and a virtual tabletop. That is not exactly news. What IS news is the apparent effort, doomed to fail if true, to build some kind of virtual RPGA from that.

Because nobody* plays in the meatspace RPGA, and nobody* plays virtual tabletop games.

2) Art: Gee. If THAT's what the art will look like (the images above posted by Erik, IIRC), consider me intrigued. Because that looks like a deliberate and not entirely incompetent throwback. It's not stunning, but it might lead to something that is.

3) Less crunchy rules? You have my full attention.

4) In any case, I didn't even buy the 3.5 core rules, so I'm not losing sleep over this. I'll get it only if it's as different mechanically (and in a good way) from 3.5 as 3.0 was from 2E.

*Where "nobody" = not enough people to matter in the scheme of things.

Artwise, I hope we can return to the occasional nipple. That's right; I like elfnipples.

What, as in ElfQuest?

Quote from: Pierce InverarityWhat, as in ElfQuest?

I think you just killed my love of topless elves.
Thank you.

Well ,all I can say is the changes had best be huge, impressive, and a true IMPROVEMENT, not just a change, for me to buy the new books. I've got alot of money invested in nice expensive 3.0 hardbacks which will suffice for decades more use. See, making expensive, sturdy books is not ALWAYS a good idea, because there's little chance of selling later editions "just 'cause its new".

Quote from: RPGPunditYes, IF this is 4th Edition, then Wizards of the Coast lied to us, and I have a serious beef with them.

IIRC, Wizards said that they had 3E stuff for 2008, which is a different (and very open) statement. So no, they didn't lie.

Quote from: RPGPunditThat doesn't mean that because I was lied to, it means you were right. Your having GUESSED the wrong answer that happened to be right based on bad information doesn't make you a genius. It still makes you an idiot.

Whomever puts blind trust in statements made by a soulless corporation is the idiot here.  The signs for a new edition coming soon were all there for anyone to see.

Quote from: James McMurrayIf they're following the Book of Nine Swords version of resource management, I'm happy. Going per-encounter instead of per-day makes it a lot easier to keep the action moving, and avoids "it's 8:15 am, but we're out of resources. Someone crack open the playing cards and let's get camp set up."

I hope they do a whole lot more than "Vancian + 20-minute rest instead or 1-night sleep".  You could house-rule that.

QuoteWhomever puts blind trust in statements made by a soulless corporation is the idiot here.

This is truth.  I am continually baffled by the number of idiots who will put a near-religious faith in a corporation that does not give two shits about them, and would as soon abandon them completely if it though it would make more money.

What- people who sell things lying to people who buy things? It can't be!

As long as 4e is OGL, I got nuthin' to bitch about.

Quote from: One Horse TownWhile there are changes in play (such as incorporating "epic-level play," with 30 levels instead of 20), they are described as "evolutionary" rather than "revolutionary." Other changes include new power sources, changes in resource management, and new encounter design, and more clearly defined monster roles. Changes will speed play, make the game easier to learn, and make DM-ing easier. Concepts for 4th Edition gameplay were tested in the new Star Wars RPG, and the Book of 9 Swords.

If this is true then with it being OGL I'm 98% sold already. I'll grab some of the fun bits from 3.5 and it should be a snap to convert.

Here is Maw's post, when he was live at the D&D Experience 2007:

QuoteThe 4th Edition Question gets a lot of laughter.

"I'm surprised it took this long for someone to ask that"

"Its going to come at some point. It's a long ways away. You'll get an announcement when that happens, but it's a long ways away. We have a lot of good stuff coming out through 2008"