Quote from: RPGPundit:rolleyes: Wait for it, children....

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Dude, what?

Quote from: GRIMAll I'm interested in is whether it is OGL or a replacement license of some kind. If they fuck over the OGL producers trying to squeeze too hard they'll do themselves a fair whack of damage.

Sorry, but I still don't see how people think WotC making 4ed would do anthing but help them.

Well, from what I've been reading it sounds like you will have to buy a license from WotC to be a 3rd party publisher for 4the Edition.

I suspect the OGL will remain more or less as it is, but the D20 licence will be tightened up a little (perhaps for quality control purposes).

Damnit, I like my binders and backpack FULL of books. I love my bag of many dice sets.

I don't see switching over any time soon. And if it's morphing into a damn MMORPG, then they'll have lost me forever. I want to have people over, I like cooking dinner for everyone, I like sprawling out in the living room and listening to my DM weave a story.

I have great players (even my kids play at 4 and 9) and wonderful DMs (they rarely plan anything - it's all off the cuff! the bastids). I'm keeping 3.0

There's a pretty informative post on ENWorld here which is being regularly updated.

For what it's worth, it really doesn't look like D&D will be morphing into an MMORPG - the web tools seem to be mainly enhancements for the tabletop game, or utilities for the "virtual gaming table" for those who can't get the face-to-face experience - so kind of like a private Neverwinter Nights game, only without the cool graphics and where the computer doesn't handle all the rules for you.

4dventure in l33t is Adventure. You do know that, right? Just sayin'.

Quote from: Werekoala4dventure in l33t is Adventure. You do know that, right? Just sayin'.

That's right, it has at least 10% more adventure than previous versions.

I'm curious, I can see how it's important for RPGs to keep up with the times, re: online or pc assisted play, so I won't be surprised if 4th has such things.  I think it may be necessary to attract those new kids and their fancified Babbage Engines. I just hope they have ways to keep this soon to be minted group of tabletop grognards happy, because my tastes tend in that direction and I surmise a good deal of the present player base still is too.

I wouldn't judge future prospects too harshly just by reading ad material. This slang has been in existance when 3E came out.

I do wonder what will replace/augment dungeonpunk...

Quote from: SosthenesI do wonder what will replace/augment dungeonpunk...

Anime!

:-)

Quote from: Erik BoielleAnime!

You could be right -- WotC just signed a deal with Maple Story to create an online/offline hybrid card game.  Then again the artwork on the countdown site suggests otherwise.

Quote from: Erik BoielleAnime!

:-)

Post anti-anime dungeonpunk! :haw:

Quote from: WarthurTBH, I think all of this internet stuff could be useful even for old-style face-to-face games. Think about having all of your player's character sheets available to you online, updatable in-game so that when they go home they can boot up their computers, look up how much experience they had, and level up between sessions... think about having your adventure notes online, so you can run the game anywhere there's an internet connection without having to lug around a binder full of notes... think about having a computer display of a combat sequence to help with positioning and measuring, with terrain features all put in. It'd be worth a try, that's for sure.

Bingo.

Go search my posts in various threads and the one TGA quoted.

This is the future.  It's not MMORPG, it's a hybrid system wherein the computer only acts as a facilitator to what's going on at the table.  We've had a thread here, I think, about Microsoft's Table Top Computer initiative.  What if you compbined it all?  The computer underneath (not only the table, but the game) to crunch numbers, even provide the set of opitions available to your character; move a miniature on the table, and the computer recognizes it and takes it into account; roll your wifi dice and the computer picks up the signal, accounts for the roll, and provides the resolution to the DM/Players/etc depending on how you like ot play.

Computers are not the enemy of the TPPRPG.  The medium will just change.  We'll all sit down with a stylus - either a specific one tasks for gaming, or a computer with software to emulate it - and "plug in" (probably wireless) to a small local network. Everything will flow from there.

It's the future boys (and girls) - hold on tight.

Quote from: mhensleyLOL, pundit my ass.

Yes, IF this is 4th Edition, then Wizards of the Coast lied to us, and I have a serious beef with them.

That doesn't mean that because I was lied to, it means you were right. Your having GUESSED the wrong answer that happened to be right based on bad information doesn't make you a genius. It still makes you an idiot.

Let me explain: if I have two bales of beans, and tell you that there's 100 beans in the first bale and 100 in the second, and ask you how many that makes; and you answer 300, you're an idiot.
It doesn't matter if it later turns out that there were 150 beans in each bale and thus there were in fact 300 beans in there.  You're still an idiot, the fact that the answer you gave was technically right is pure coincidence, and not a product of your being an "Bean Industry Insider".

I don't know about you, because you're not even on my personal radar, but people like Chris Pramas have been using their supposed "Industry Insider" status to claim that D&D 4th edition was coming for something like FOUR YEARS now.  Does the fact that he ended up getting it right this year suddenly mean that he really IS an industry insider, or does the fact that he got it WRONG for the last 1459 days probably mean that he's just a pathetic irrelevant loser with a personal axe to grind with Wizards of the Coast?

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PS: I have challenged Mike Mearls or ANYONE in Wizards to come to my Blog and justify themselves, explain why they have apparently LIED to the fans faces in February. I repeat that challenge here, and seriously hope someone takes it up, because this is exactly the kind of attitude that ends up losing fans.  For my part, if I don't get an answer (and possibly an apology), I will no longer be able to give WoTC my support.

Quote from: ENWorld4th Edition is Coming
* The big announcement will be made at GenCon shortly.
* Specific 4e forums have been created at the Wizards site: http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=686
* Yes, there will be a "Player's Handbook", "Dungeon Master's Guide" and "Monster Manual" in 4e. (Source: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=905789)
* There will be at least 7 books of D&D 4 on 2008. (source: this post)
* Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 4e (this post by thormagni) in August 2008.
* "One new campaign setting per year"... vague plan. Dragonlance? Ravenloft? Greyhawk?(this post by thormagni)

From theminiaturespage.net:
August 16, 2007 (Renton, WA) – Whether you storm a mad wizard's tower every week or haven't delved into a dungeon since you had a mullet and a mean pair of parachute pants, one thing is certain - millions of D&D players worldwide have anticipated the coming of 4th Edition for many years. Today, Wizards of the Coast confirms that the new edition will launch in May 2008 with the release of the D&D Player's Handbook. A pop culture icon, Dungeons & Dragons is the #1 tabletop roleplaying game in the world, and is revered by legions of gamers of all ages.

The 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons game includes elements familiar to current D&D players, including illustrated rulebooks and pre-painted plastic miniatures. Also releasing next year will be new web-based tools and online community forums through the brand-new Dungeons & Dragons Insider (D&D Insider) digital offering. D&D Insider lowers the barriers of entry for new players while simultaneously offering the depth of play that appeals to veteran players.

The 4th Edition rules emphasize faster game play, offer exciting new character options, and reduce the amount of "prep time" needed to run the game. D&D Insider includes a character creator that lets players design and equip their D&D characters, dungeon- and adventure-building tools for Dungeon Masters, online magazine content, and a digital game table that lets you play 24/7 on the internet — the perfect option for anyone who can't find time to get together.

"We've been gathering player feedback for eight years," said Bill Slavicsek, R&D Director of Roleplaying and Miniatures Games at Wizards of the Coast. "Fourth Edition streamlines parts of the D&D game that are too complex, while enhancing the overall play experience. At its heart, it's still a tabletop game experience. However, D&D Insider makes it easier for players to create characters, run their games, and interact with the rest of the D&D community."

Wizards of the Coast will release two 4th Edition preview books in December and January — Wizards Presents: Classes and Races and Wizards Presents: Worlds and Monsters. The first live demos of 4th Edition will happen at the D&D Experience gaming convention in Washington D.C. in February 2008. The full scope of 4th Edition books, miniatures, and adventures will be available in the spring and summer of 2008.

Since its first release in 1974, the fantasy roleplaying game Dungeons & Dragons has taken millions of players on imaginary adventures of epic scale. Today, D&D is universally regarded as the original game that created the roleplaying game category, and the inspiration for generations of game designers. D&D is enjoyed by millions of players worldwide, while countless more remember it with fond nostalgia.

Player's Handbook 4e
* May 2008 (source: this post)

Dungeon Master's Guide 4e
* June 2008 (source: this post)

Monster Manual 4e
* July 2008 (source: this post)

D&D Insider
* This is the "D&D Online" section of Gleemax
* It contains a "Dungeon Master's Kit" that includes the following:
- dungeon builder (map tool)
- adventure builder
- PC generator
- other things (Source: Wizards forum post)
* "Character Generator"
- character sheets
- character visualizer (Source: Wizards forum post)
* "My Campaign"
* "My Character" (source: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=905809)
* "D&D Game Table" (source: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=905805)
* "Dungeon & Dragon Magazines" (source: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=905804)

The Dungeons & Dragons Insider Package
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Become a Dungeons & Dragons Insider and gain access to exclusive content designed specifically with D&D players in mind. As part of your monthly subscription, you gain access to features designed to enhance your D&D experience, including:

D&D Insider Magazine, online magazine with new content updated daily, including:

-Product Previews (articles showcasing upcoming D&D products)
-Class Features (articles expanding existing character class options and debuting new character and prestige classes)
-Strategy and Tactics (articles relating to D&D roleplaying combat and spellcasting, and to D&D Miniatures Skirmish play)
-Design and Development (articles and columns exploring the many facets of the D&D experience, written by game designers in D&D R&D)
-D&D Humor (comic strips devoted to the D&D experience)

D&D Product Enhancements (expanded content for D&D products you bought, including interactive content such as searchable indexes, extra features, behind the scenes articles, game designer and developer commentary, and more)

Exclusive Content that expands your favorite campaign world

-Eberron and Forgotten Realms ongoing content
-Interactive maps
-World events and adventure hooks

D&D University

-Rolling six-week course to help make you a better D&D player
-Course message boards
-Player tip of the week from D&D R&D

- MyCharacter.Com pages that you can design and populate, with a Premium Customization Kit that includes D&D art, frames, and icons
- Private Message Boards that give you a direct line to D&D R&D
- Premium RPGA Membership Card mailed to you
- Fast Lane Registration at all RPGA events (online and in the real world)
- The Magic Shop, a virtual shop where you can outfit your D&D character

D&D Character Builder, a program that helps you create and manage your D&D characters. This program allows you to create a character for any D&D game, walking you through the process of rolling the dice and assigning your game statistics, as well as creating a visual version of your character using "paper doll" models and "drag and click" selections of armor and weapons. At the end, you can save your character and print out a character sheet, as well as go to any D&D tournament and call up your character for use, or use the character at the Virtual Gaming Table (see below). With this package, you get to create and store up to 10 different characters or up to 10 different versions of one character (your character at different levels), or some combination of the two.

-Exclusive D&D-related novels and short stories written by your favorite authors
-Real-World D&D Search Engines (find D&D gamers, game stores, tournaments, and events in your area)
-In-Game D&D Search Engines (find feats, spells, magic items, and other D&D-related topics)

Digital Gaming Table, a program that allows you to play D&D using the Internet as your kitchen table, with a viewable play surface, dice rolling, virtual miniatures, and voice chat. Now you don't have to wait for your home gaming group to get together to play a game of D&D. You can still play your weekly face-to-face game, but now you can also play two or three more times a week by finding a game at the virtual table. Or, you might want to reconnect with your old gaming pals who long ago moved away-now you can all play together again on a regular basis! With this package, you get to play at the table 3 times per month.

Source: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.p...referrerid=4046

Open Gaming Licence
* 4th Edition will fall under the OGL, and there'll be a new SRD (this post by thormagni)
* Wizards wants 3rd party publishers to produce 4e-compatible material. (this post by thormagni)
* 3rd party publishers will be able to get licenses to create 4e material from Wizards. (??)(source: jgbrowning This post)
* Fans will be able to publish material on Gleemax under (free) license from Wizards. (This material will be available to Wizards to republish; see discussion on Gleemax TOS).
* The OGL/SRD/d20 Licenses will still exist - details still to come (source: this post)

Linky: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=204119