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Able to connect to the main page, but unable to follow links.

New look to the website with a D&D Insider login in the upper right corner.

Downloading teaser video...

Zach's gencon report thread has some info from the ongoing announcement in it.

Quote from: mythusmageWizards changed their mind. People do that.

Indeed. Everyone had pretty much accepted the inevitably of 4E, the only question was when. It's hardly the seismic event people claim when a company decides to move their production schedule forward.

In the six months between February 2007 and now a multitude of variables would have contributed to the release date decision, most of which we will never be privvy to. In the meantime the conspiracy theorists will have their field day, the rumor-mongers will disinform, and come next Summer all will be forgotten as we get to discuss the ACTUAL GAME, which is a far more interesting prospect to me than all this bone-picking and self validation.

I won't deny it's fun to watch though. Man alive, you'd think there was something important at stake here...

Quote from: PseudoephedrineJesus motherfuck cunt shit. Well, there it is.

And thank god, too. All the conspiracy bull was getting old.

Seanchai

at least it's coming after RTT/T5, and BRP deluxe

maybe

Quote from: J ArcaneUgh.  And hitting all the favorite buzzwords of the 3.x hater crowd too, just like SAGA did.

Well, looks like I'll be sticking with 3.5.

Welcome to the grognard club J, welcome aboard.

As long as the OOP books are on your shelf you can still have fun with them and don't matter what new stuff comes out.

Quote from: RPGObjects_chuck3.5 came out 5 years after 3.0 completely and utterly killed it. You couldn't sell 3.0 books for firewood after 3.5 came out.

How many editions of Star Wars have there been? 3?

In like a 6-7 year span?

And they sold like crazy.

Interesting.  Do you think that perhaps the reason the Star Wars versions sold is that the game wasn't good te first two times around?  I'm betting now that SAGA hit, it will stabilize for your 8-10 year (ok, maybe 6-8...ok, 5-7) period.

In the case of D&D, the reason 3.0 became relatively irrelavant so quickly was because the next ruleset, 3.5, was the SAGA of D&D.  It's been able to sustain a market because the quality was such that it could, whereas earlier versions were ripe for the picking.

Just a thought.

Quote from: Zachary The First, from his GenCon threadSeveral folks just walked past, bitching about how WotC had told them 4e wouldn't be out for 2 year at the D&D convention.

Whiny bitches.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: James J SkachInteresting.  Do you think that perhaps the reason the Star Wars versions sold is that the game wasn't good te first two times around?  I'm betting now that SAGA hit, it will stabilize for your 8-10 year (ok, maybe 6-8...ok, 5-7) period.

Well, I think all three SW games were pretty good.

But following your logic, the fact that people would continue to go to the well for a new game every two years whether it was good or not, I'm sure wasn't a deterrent to doing a new edition now.

Hell, if anything, it says the market is fine to pony up some cash to be a beta tester, work the kinks out, then pay again for a better version.

Quote from: BalbinusWelcome to the grognard club J, welcome aboard.

As long as the OOP books are on your shelf you can still have fun with them and don't matter what new stuff comes out.

But it's the grognards who drove this shift in the first place!

I think the impulse to forgive or explain Wizards' behavior is a mistake. I had the idea that it might have been the big success of SW: Saga that caused them to bump it up a little - "hey, the fanz love this shite!" - but it doesn't matter. They said something that conveyed to almost everyone it wasn't coming, and it's here.

I think I'll probably still buy and play the game though. Like the thread title says...

The video promo at the WotC site, while more than a tad bizarre, does provide a couple of hints of what's to come - one, the online aspect is rather pointedly highlighted but not directly mentioned (though maybe I missed it due to inattention), and two, "the game is staying the same!" (say that over and over for emphasis in a really odd sorta-French accent). The latter indicates, I hope, that the game is gonna be essentially 3e with the biggest problems addressed that have been squawked about consistently. EDIT: The video directly mentions the complexity of 3e, and specifically uses the grapple rules as an example of stuff that slows the game down. That comforts me. I just wanna know how much of my beloved collection of NPC statblocks will be rendered obsolete...

Plus they seem to be releasing some kind of...I don't know what...stripped down version or overview beforehand. Maybe a "basic" version of the game?

Quote from: James J SkachWhiny bitches.  :rolleyes:

Now, now. You're jumping to conclusion. He said they were bitching, not whining.

I came here to see some discussion of the announcement that wouldn't be full of little girl crying. You know, something different than what's going on at ENWorld (when it loads), WotC, and RPG.net.

You guys aren't going to disappoint me, are you?  

Quote from: GoOrangeI'm in the "they were dishonest in their dealings with the public" camp.

Christ on a crutch. Maybe they weren't planning on releasing it, but word came down from on high to speed things up. Shit happens.

Quote from: SettembriniThe WotC site?
"Service unavailable?" The Fuck?

I can only imagine the strain the server is under from all the gamer angst.