I am Wizards' Bitch [4e discussion]

RPGObjects_chuck · August 16, 2007, 02:43:50 PM

Quote from: JamesVI agree. It was getting close to the end of 3x's cylce in the first place. The announcement may be on the early side, but it still jibes with what I expected; before 3x turned ten years old there would be a new edition out. As some have said this does not invalidate everyone's old stuff if they want to keep it, hell if it's close to SAGA/D20 Modern/D&D 3x, then it should be pretty easy to convert and mess with to boot.

There's going to be an OGL and a SRD as well from what I'm hearing.

RPGPundit · August 16, 2007, 03:06:01 PM

Quote from: jrientsShit, man. They fibbed on you and now they've hurt your feelings, so you're threatening to withdraw your blessing? For reals? I mean, I don't disagree that they're liars of the pants-on-fire variety but that doesn't change the quality of their products one bit.

The quality of their products? No. Their Professionalism as a company? Oh yes. And when I've gone out of my way to defend their professionalism in the face of the likes of Chris Pramas and all the other assholes who hate Wizards either because its #1 or because its not theirs, it is quite a personal issue.

It means from now on, I won't be able to defend their professionalism anymore, I won't be able to say "Wizards is a serious company that wouldn't lie to their customers".

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RPGPundit · August 16, 2007, 03:08:34 PM

Quote from: Pierce InverarityFORWARD...
TO 4DVENTURE!

Jesus Christ you're right! They stole my idea!

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RPGPundit · August 16, 2007, 03:10:00 PM

Quote from: JongWKIIRC, Wizards said that they had 3E stuff for 2008, which is a different (and very open) statement. So no, they didn't lie.

The statement was in ANSWER to a question about whether they would announce 4th edition, and it was pretty clearly implicit in their answer that they would NOT release 4e till at least the beginning of 2009. So they LIED.

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RPGPundit · August 16, 2007, 03:10:48 PM

Quote from: mhensleyWhomever puts blind trust in statements made by a soulless corporation is the idiot here. The signs for a new edition coming soon were all there for anyone to see.

I see, and you've been saying that since what? Mid-2003?

Stupid cunt.

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Mcrow · August 16, 2007, 03:19:04 PM

To be fair WotC said

QuoteWe have a lot of good stuff coming out through 2008

They did not say anything about that "good stuff" being 3ed, but I may have missed something.

OTOH, if it just could be that something businesswise changed that required them to release it earlier.

J Arcane · August 16, 2007, 03:21:44 PM

Quote"Wizards is a serious company that wouldn't lie to their customers"

See the error in this statement is in making the initial assumption that a "serious company" doesn't lie to their customers, when in fact, corporatiosn and businesses large and small do it all the fucking time.

Akrasia · August 16, 2007, 03:35:13 PM

Man, this is entertaining stuff!
:popcorn:

Lord Hobie · August 16, 2007, 03:37:46 PM

Quote from: AkrasiaMan, this is entertaining stuff!
:popcorn:

You mean the Pundit's worldview being savaged by Dancey AND WOTC?

Lord Hobie

beeber · August 16, 2007, 03:41:39 PM

Quote from: Lord HobieYou mean the Pundit's worldview being savaged by Dancey AND WOTC?

Lord Hobie

that, and this whole "4" thing

i'm playing other games at the moment. my group never switched to 2nd, let alone 3rd. i have a bunch of 3.x stuff that's not doing anything.

however it turns out, i'll look a-plenty. no buying interest, tho. a lot of borders/b&n browsing in my 2008, it seems. . . .

Pierce Inverarity · August 16, 2007, 03:45:24 PM

Some more details from an interview with Bill Slavscek, whose initials I note are BS:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/inquest/005672645.cfm

Here's the part I was fearing:

QuoteAnd yes, Wizards does recommend you begin new campaigns with Fourth Edition. "It's not going to be as huge a jump," as from Second Edition to Third Edition, said Slavicsek, "but there's enough changing in the core system of how we are doing classes and races and characters that we're not even gonna attempt it—we're just telling you it's better to start over."

Bill, are you saying it's actually just 3.75, but don't let that keep me from buying the books?

JongWK · August 16, 2007, 03:46:14 PM

Quote from: RPGPunditThe statement was in ANSWER to a question about whether they would announce 4th edition, and it was pretty clearly implicit in their answer that they would NOT release 4e till at least the beginning of 2009. So they LIED.

Show me something, anything, that clearly states that they wouldn't do that. "Implicit" doesn't cut it.

Mcrow · August 16, 2007, 04:00:10 PM

Quote from: Pierce InveraritySome more details from an interview with Bill Slavscek, whose initials I note are BS:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/inquest/005672645.cfm

Here's the part I was fearing:

Bill, are you saying it's actually just 3.75, but don't let that keep me from buying the books?

To me that states that it will be similar to SAGA edition in many ways, which means converting will be more of a hassle than it's worth.

Mcrow · August 16, 2007, 04:04:06 PM

Quote from: JongWKShow me something, anything, that clearly states that they wouldn't do that. "Implicit" doesn't cut it.

Yeah, they never said anything of the sort. All they said is "we have good stuff through 2008" not mentioning 3ed as any of the "good stuff".

They also never said 4ed would be released in 2009, the just said it would be "a long time". just looking at that statement you can tell that they were not entirely sure at the time when 4ed would be released.

All you have to do is look at the vague statements: "long time" "good stuff".:pundit:

mhensley · August 16, 2007, 04:04:44 PM

Quote from: RPGPunditI see, and you've been saying that since what? Mid-2003?

Stupid cunt.

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Ah, more of your rapier wit.