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Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Mystery Man on September 27, 2006, 11:07:21 AM
Oh golly, I'm irritated today. I was reading some threads on the new MMIV on some other boards. I'm getting my ire up and my patience with people who have an overblown sense of their own intellectual superiority is coming to an end. The premise that somehow I'm a terrible DM or a NOOB because I find the stuff in the new MM useful.

I will say without shame or fear of retribution that I like the new MMIV format. I like the statted out humanoids. I like the lairs and encounter ideas. I love the knowledge check charts.

I hope WoTC continues publishing books using this new format until these fucking euphuistic, high-minded twerps jump screaming from a helicopter.

Man!! Geez!!!
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: flyingmice on September 27, 2006, 11:20:48 AM
Feeling better now? :D

-clash
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Abyssal Maw on September 27, 2006, 11:25:30 AM
Most people here aren't going to know what you are talking about :).

I like MMIV too, especially the encounters and the new format. One thing it allowed me to do a lot easier than I have done before was just improvise encounters.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Mr. Analytical on September 27, 2006, 11:31:04 AM
Monster Manual 4?
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Mystery Man on September 27, 2006, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: flyingmiceFeeling better now? :D

-clash


Actually....yeah. :p
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Nicephorus on September 27, 2006, 11:36:59 AM
I didn't even know the product existed, so I read a quick review.  I rarely buy monster books because I like humanoid villains.  But lair maps and stat blocks that could be used for leaders would be very useful - stuff I could do but it's paying for a book to cut prep time.  So, it's not crammed with 300 monsters, no one has to buy it.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: jrients on September 27, 2006, 11:37:17 AM
It sounds like I should check that book out.  Those guys were being dillholes.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Abyssal Maw on September 27, 2006, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: NicephorusI didn't even know the product existed, so I read a quick review.  I rarely buy monster books because I like humanoid villains.  But lair maps and stat blocks that could be used for leaders would be very useful - stuff I could do but it's paying for a book to cut prep time.  So, it's not crammed with 300 monsters, no one has to buy it.

The sections on Drow were the encounters I used- a drow priestess, a drow ranger (lolth touched template), and the drow snipers. They were all statted out and equipped and everything, and they just happened to fit the current plotline, so I gave them names and used them as npcs.

I suppose my only complaint is that this a slightly slim book , and it is different from all previous monster books.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: hgjs on September 27, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Mystery ManI love the knowledge check charts.

Amen!
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Mcrow on September 27, 2006, 11:47:14 AM
Quote from: Mystery ManOh golly, I'm irritated today. I was reading some threads on the new MMIV on some other boards. I'm getting my ire up and my patience with people who have an overblown sense of their own intellectual superiority is coming to an end. The premise that somehow I'm a terrible DM or a NOOB because I find the stuff in the new MM useful.

I will say without shame or fear of retribution that I like the new MMIV format. I like the statted out humanoids. I like the lairs and encounter ideas. I love the knowledge check charts.

I hope WoTC continues publishing books using this new format until these fucking euphuistic, high-minded twerps jump screaming from a helicopter.

Man!! Geez!!!

oh, you can do better than that! Only 5 on the rant-o-meter.

Yeah, I hate it whem people think they are some sort of intellectual because they point out how dumb you are if you play "X" game or use "X" book. It's just stupid. If gaming required any sort of intellect, I think there would be a whole lot less people gaming.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Mystery Man on September 27, 2006, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: NicephorusI didn't even know the product existed, so I read a quick review.  I rarely buy monster books because I like humanoid villains.  But lair maps and stat blocks that could be used for leaders would be very useful - stuff I could do but it's paying for a book to cut prep time.  So, it's not crammed with 300 monsters, no one has to buy it.


Here's a link to an exerpt of exactly what I like about this book.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060704a&page=3
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Mystery Man on September 27, 2006, 11:54:54 AM
Quote from: Mcrowoh, you can do better than that! Only 5 on the rant-o-meter.

I know, I know...

It usually takes a lot to get me going, practice makes perfect.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Sigmund on September 27, 2006, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: Mystery ManHere's a link to an exerpt of exactly what I like about this book.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060704a&page=3


That actually looks really cool. I love the monster itself, and the inclusion of a sample environment and other info is awesome.

I also think anyone who calls someone "noob" and means it to be an insult is a fucking loser. Tell the asshats hassling you to sign on here and try that shit.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: obryn on September 27, 2006, 12:02:22 PM
I just wish Wizards would have bothered telling me how a creature's hit points were calculated.

I know I can reverse-engineer it from the hit dice, the creature type, and their Constitution, (oh and size stuff for constructs), but I really don't want to.  I buy monster books so I don't need to do the work.

-O
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Caesar Slaad on September 27, 2006, 12:13:47 PM
What boards? Link?

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/mom2febgirls/Smilies/plotting.gif)
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Nicephorus on September 27, 2006, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: Mystery ManHere's a link to an exerpt of exactly what I like about this book.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060704a&page=3 (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060704a&page=3)

Next time I run D&D, I might get this.  I tend to run plot based games. Dungeon excursions are usually for specific reasons, not a clean the place out, to I like small tombs and such.  A map like that  and the background info would be easy to tie in.  The knowledge checks are a very nice touch.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Caesar Slaad on September 27, 2006, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: NicephorusThe knowledge checks are a very nice touch.

WotC was sort of a band-follower on that one, with the likes of Green Ronin and Privateer having been doing this in their monster books for a while.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Sigmund on September 27, 2006, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadWotC was sort of a band-follower on that one, with the likes of Green Ronin and Privateer having been doing this in their monster books for a while.

It's still nice to see they recognized it as a good idea and decided to adopt it.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Nicephorus on September 27, 2006, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadWotC was sort of a band-follower on that one, with the likes of Green Ronin and Privateer having been doing this in their monster books for a while.

Didn't know that.  The 3.0 MMI was the last monster book that I bought.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Mystery Man on September 27, 2006, 12:28:47 PM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadWhat boards? Link?

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/mom2febgirls/Smilies/plotting.gif)


Bah. Paizo boards. Not worth it.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: Caesar Slaad on September 27, 2006, 12:33:02 PM
Quote from: Mystery ManBah. Paizo boards. Not worth it.

Paizo boards? That makes it sound even more assinine, considering that is the home of products that have pre-generated content.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: hgjs on September 27, 2006, 03:49:49 PM
Quote from: obrynI just wish Wizards would have bothered telling me how a creature's hit points were calculated.

I don't understand.
Title: I am not a "Noob"
Post by: obryn on September 27, 2006, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: hgjsI don't understand.
The new format lists a creature's hit points as something like

169 (16 HD)

but that's all the info you get.  To find out how it's calculated, you need to look up the hit die type for the creature type, then calculate its CON bonus or (in some cases) its bonus for size.

The old format tells you how it's calculated (e.g. 16d8+54 or whatever).

It's a shame.  Other than that glitch, I like the new stat block format better.

-O