And it needed a thread on an internet board to sort this out when you guys game with each other? Oh dear...:flop:

This is relatively tame. I want, the "you fucked my character over for the last time...you motherfucker" post or "just be quiet and be my history bitch" post :what:

Regards,
David R

I owe you an apology, Pundit. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that Jong was posting about your game (simply because I wouldn't call out my GM on a public forum under the guise of a 'help me hypothetical' post). With what you've contributed here, my position has changed. Still, I shall recant my earlier suggestion and bite my tongue as I have no desire to get involved in an argument of a personal nature between two forum participants.

Quote from: SpikeJimbo complaining about his players here I can see, he had no idea they frequented the place, but Jong's gotta KNOW, if anyone does, that Pundit reads shit here.

In my case, the problem was not the initial complaint and question, but the length of the discussion that followed, and the tone that developed. This I think is similar to what often happens with emails - you fire them back and forth, angrier and angrier... in person, you'd restrain yourself a bit, and also be less offended by what the other person was saying.

Quote from: SpikeMakes for good drama though.

Definitely. For drama, what I'd really like to see is the player appear here in this SJGames thread, "Seeking GM Advice: Character/Player IQ disparity".

In this thread here, I tried to respond to Jong's obviously personal point in a general way. The general answer is that it's always better to talk to your group. If they won't listen, then it's off to find a new group.

I do agree that this whole issue has probably been blown out of proportion, especially if Jong himself is saying so. I'm sure we'll be able to figure this out.

RPGPundit

Shake hands, you too, and tell one another you're sorry. You'll be happier for doing it than if you don't.

You know, I've seen issues of faith and Christianity cause hard feelings because of stuff that happens _outside_ of the game, but never because of stuff happening _in_ one.  Guess there's a first for everything.  

Glad to see it's all working out.

Pete

Quote from: pspahnYou know, I've seen issues of faith and Christianity cause hard feelings because of stuff that happens _outside_ of the game, but never because of stuff happening _in_ one.  Guess there's a first for everything.  

Glad to see it's all working out.

Pete

Amusing given that neither of those involved are Christians.

RPGpundit

Quote from: RPGPundit*sigh* holy motherfucking god.. I said that. Multiple times. I had Marcus specifically say that maybe as Antoninus' son he could try to soften Antoninus' very reactionary anti-christian position, and save the christians from persecution.  I didn't hint it, I didn't suggest it, I said it just like that.

So clearly, that's NOT what Jong wanted out of all this.

Dang, now I'm as baffled as you are.

Question to Jong: it sounds like that Marcus is very definitely a "fellow traveller" even if he isn't a Christan per se. Exactly what more do you want? Why is it so personally important to you that Marcus, specifically Marcus, declares himself a Christian?

It's probably something to do with that particular Marcus looking destined to be an Emperor some day. "I wrote the Gospel followed by the Emperor himself". In this way, the religion invented by Jong's character may become the religion of all Europe.

If you're going to be immortal, you may as well have a go at being a prophet, too.

Jong is the one true god, and Quintus was his Prophet.

When in doubt about the motivations of players and their characters, assume enormous, ridiculous ambition.

Quote from: Kyle AaronIt's probably something to do with that particular Marcus looking destined to be an Emperor some day. "I wrote the Gospel followed by the Emperor himself". In this way, the religion invented by Jong's character may become the religion of all Europe.

In which case he's still going about it the wrong way. Being Emperor and commanding everyone to join a religion which already has a whole heap of afficionados is one thing. Being Emperor and commanding everyone to join a religion which is composed of a) the Emperor, and b) that guy who used to be the Emperor's daddy (who might have already faked his own death by this point) is another thing, especially when it's a form of that religion which is actively offensive to all the other Christian sects.

Jong needs to come up with some actual co-religionists, stat. Which makes his distress at Marcus himself not converting more understandable, but unless he does the groundwork of building his own sect how can he expect Marcus to support it when he comes to power?

Well, I don't know, I'm only speculating. If you want to know how to found a new religion, you'll have to talk to a second-rate science fiction writer. I'm only a third-rate rpg writer.

This would have been a great post for The Forge.

Imagine the heaping scorn on the disempowerment of the player, the deprotagonization...the GM fiat..

And once they found out it was Pundit?!?!

It would have been...fantastic...talk about a pass-the-popcorn-and-snowcaps moment.... :haw:

NOTE: none of which is an indictment of either Pundit or Jong...this is just the typical GM/Player misunderstanding...

Actually, it has got nothing to do with RPGs.

Fuckin' hell guys... can't you just play a game where you kill things and take their stuff?