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The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

Bye, don't let the door hit you in your brains.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

It depends, are the bugs red meat or white meat?

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It depends, are the bugs red meat or white meat?

Irrelevant. They all taste like chicken

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

The book Starship Troopers or the movie Starship Troopers?

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

The book Starship Troopers or the movie Starship Troopers?

The book mainly but the same applies to the movie since Verhooven failed miserably at trying to make it an allegory for fascism.

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Does that girl fuck horses?

ain't gonna listen to the opinion of a horsefucker then

This made me laugh coffee out of my nose with mirth.  Thank you for a great laugh!


It think it very foolish to ignore intelligent species as enemies.  There's all sorts of evidence that intelligent creatures (like ogres and trolls) see humans and demi-humans as a food source.  Unless a fantasy realm is going to insist all the sophonts eat kale and lentils alot of intelligent species (aka monsters) are going to die of malnutrition.  Nice job SJWs you just committed genocide.

I like my fantasy worlds like I like my SJWs: RACIST AF and open about it.

Except I don't like SJWs, and don't consider the presence of even actual racism (much less things purposefully misconstrued as rAcIsT) in a fantasy world to make the game itself "racist". But rather to be frank depictions of what life might be like in that world that don't reinforce real life racism, nor promote it. If anything, they often help depict how bad it is and give PCs an excuse to fight their adversaries.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

That wasn't my point. Why do you need to change the WEF to non-humans in order to justify exterminating them? Them being human makes them more heinous imo. Other species aren't obligated to peacefully coexist with us over eating us. The WEF are greedy traitorous fuckwits with no loyalty to their own species.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

That wasn't my point. Why do you need to change the WEF to non-humans in order to justify exterminating them? Them being human makes them more heinous imo. Other species aren't obligated to peacefully coexist with us over eating us. The WEF are greedy traitorous fuckwits with no loyalty to their own species.

I don't need to change anything, I would happily hunt the fuckwits even if they were humans in game. But It's not my world, I didn't create the cult, and I'm also not saying it's wrongbadfun to have it.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
I prefer to move away from depicting intelligent opponents as generically evil and instead focus on their specific values and motives. Some may simply be so alien that peaceful coexistence is impossible. To call them evil is a matter of perspective: if they're trying to kill you, then obviously you'll think they're evil. They may not see it that way. They might see themselves as the heroes for exterminating a pest, or be apathetic to the suffering of other species.

To say "fighting intelligent beings is bad!" sounds like it would make for a really boring game. Even more boring than "all your opponents are evil so you need not feel guilty for slaughtering them." That might be enough for some people, but sometimes I like some moral ambiguity in my fiction, ya know?

I can agree with this to a degree, although there really are people out there that are evil for evil's sake. Psychopaths are often this way.  Many who commit evil acts don't view themselves as evil, but some really do celebrate being evil.

I prefer stories with a combination of these things.  Some villains are sympathetic, while others are utterly terrifying.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

The book Starship Troopers or the movie Starship Troopers?

The book mainly but the same applies to the movie since Verhooven failed miserably at trying to make it an allegory for fascism.

Base on the book, then yes. By the time of the events in the book, The Bug War was becomming a war of extermination against the humans.

I just want to make jokes about how everything is about track and field in my setting so I have the most racist game going.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

The book Starship Troopers or the movie Starship Troopers?

The book mainly but the same applies to the movie since Verhooven failed miserably at trying to make it an allegory for fascism.

Base on the book, then yes. By the time of the events in the book, The Bug War was becomming a war of extermination against the humans.

The Verhoven movie is bad satire that ivory tower morons praise as good satire to inflate their egos. Being indistinguishable from genuine propaganda doesn't make something good satire. It means it runs afoul of Poe's Law. Just look at the Dark Dungeons movie: it isn't satire, it's an accurate depiction of what fundamentalists believe!

To add insult to injury, the crowd calling it good satire vehemently despise every other product for the IP. The original novel, the sequel movies, the cgi cartoon show, the video games, and the various tabletop games (most of these you can't get legally now, and the fandom wiki is mostly garbage). Sony has recently licensed several new video games for reasons I cannot fathom. The tone is cringe propaganda, but the objective is still to kill all bugs. How is that remotely satire?

Sony can eat shit and die in a fire

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 25, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
The WEF are the same species as us. I think it loses something when you make them a different species and then say it's okay to genocide them.

That's from the elf and they were being genocided by the Scro Economic Foundation for Good.  Now if you think the WEF considers you human, that's quaint, they view most people as being useless, at least the lead advisor to Schwab does.  Creepy really.  You might consider them human, they don't consider you human,  you don't have enough money for that.  Its more altered carbon for those nutters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP5lIzGNT8

Okay, I don't care anymore. Have fun playing your justified genocide simulator.

You play as you want but...

Isn't saying ALL Orcs are evil the exact same thing?

It's a fantasy game.

Are the humans justified in Starship Troopers? Even if they wiped every single bug of the face of the universe?

The book Starship Troopers or the movie Starship Troopers?

The book mainly but the same applies to the movie since Verhooven failed miserably at trying to make it an allegory for fascism.

Base on the book, then yes. By the time of the events in the book, The Bug War was becomming a war of extermination against the humans.

The Verhoven movie is bad satire that ivory tower morons praise as good satire to inflate their egos. Being indistinguishable from genuine propaganda doesn't make something good satire. It means it runs afoul of Poe's Law. Just look at the Dark Dungeons movie: it isn't satire, it's an accurate depiction of what fundamentalists believe!

To add insult to injury, the crowd calling it good satire vehemently despise every other product for the IP. The original novel, the sequel movies, the cgi cartoon show, the video games, and the various tabletop games (most of these you can't get legally now, and the fandom wiki is mostly garbage). Sony has recently licensed several new video games for reasons I cannot fathom. The tone is cringe propaganda, but the objective is still to kill all bugs. How is that remotely satire?

Sony can eat shit and die in a fire

It's shit material bastardizing a book from one of my favorite authors.  The fact that movies isn't relegated to shadowy knowledge of forgotten movie nerds is beyond me.  The only good media that was bases on Heinlein's book I have seen was the game book.

The one thing I think it could do well if someone were willing to do up some 3D models is a TT war game.  Alas, I fear that Sony would make hash out of it.