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How Mercer Damaged the Hobby

Started by RPGPundit, March 04, 2024, 12:28:03 PM

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Exploderwizard

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 11, 2024, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on March 11, 2024, 01:05:25 PM
Kind of like 4E D&D (where you could train out of your race)  for actual people.
Look. 4E has its issues, but making shit up about it doesn't help your case. It just makes you a liar.

You could retrain skills, exploits/spells, and feats; that's it. You couldn't even change your class, much less your race.*

4E died before the hard push towards wokeness launched so it never had the chance to get that sort of crap.

* GMs could let you change anything anytime, but that's not a 4E rules thing... that's an RPG thing.

The dusk elf raises his hand.
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As I'm in Commiefornia, I have gamed with plenty of wanna-be actors, LARPers and improv peeps pre-Critical Role. Most of them were good RPGers, but most preferred "narrative RPGs" to old school for obvious reasons. AKA, actors love the spotlight and those RPGs are all about players jacking off each other.

However, those who were into old school RPGs were perfectly good players.

What I've heard from 5e GMs post-Critical Role has been exactly what Pundy has talked about repeatedly and WOW, what a nightmare...but I have yet to encounter a Critical Role addled fan in the OSR game scene.

No surprise to hear CR is losing its audience.

As the oh-so-dangerous Orange Hitler prophesied so very correctly: "Everything woke turns to shit".





RPGPundit

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 11, 2024, 09:07:16 AM
Quote from: Brad on March 09, 2024, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: S'mon on March 09, 2024, 10:44:51 AM
Most (all?) late onset trans are highly heterosexual aspergery guys, so they tend to be married and come out as lesbians.

So are they just LARPing?
Given all the social advantages of the current DEI climate I suspect more than a few would do so just for the job security.

White men are first fired and last to be hired these days and the government doesn't like to give welfare to mothers and children with husbands... trans-lesbians have total job security.

If I were married with a family to support and working for some DEI corporation was the only way to make a living with my skillset, I'd openly declare I identify as a black lesbian just so any attempt to remove me turns into a lawsuit and dings the corp's DEI score (which is what guarantees their access to the funny money).

If I were a husband and father, my FIRST responsibility is the welfare of my wife and children. If I have to humiliate myself so they get to eat, then I will fall on that sword for them.

So, yeah, LARPing is actually a logical move in the present corporate environment unless you've got the acumen to work for yourself (which not everyone does).


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Quote from: Rhymer88 on March 11, 2024, 10:10:19 AM
In Germany, a new law will come into effect in November that will allow people to officially change their gender once a year. I don't know if there will be a limited number of genders to choose from or if one can just make something up. More than likely, it will simply be a division into male, female, and "diverse." I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of Gen Z will eventually be officially "diverse" because it offers them an advantage. One can always switch back to one's actual sex after retirement.

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Quote from: Exploderwizard on March 11, 2024, 07:55:05 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 11, 2024, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on March 11, 2024, 01:05:25 PM
Kind of like 4E D&D (where you could train out of your race)  for actual people.
Look. 4E has its issues, but making shit up about it doesn't help your case. It just makes you a liar.

You could retrain skills, exploits/spells, and feats; that's it. You couldn't even change your class, much less your race.*

4E died before the hard push towards wokeness launched so it never had the chance to get that sort of crap.

* GMs could let you change anything anytime, but that's not a 4E rules thing... that's an RPG thing.

The dusk elf raises his hand.
Not Mercer, but not political either;

4E Bloodline feats can only be taken at character creation and can't be retrained. That's the thing about exception based mechanics, they have exceptions to the general rules (like feat retraining).

But you go on kicking that dead horse that's been buried for a dozen years.

Darrin Kelley

Mercer didn't damage the hobby. The damage came from unrealistic expectations from Critical Role viewers who wanted to live the Critical Role experience. That desire had no connection to the realities of the hobby. No real connection to reality at all.

It would be the same as if someone entered the Star Wars cosplay hobby. And expected to pick up a real lightsaber. Absolutely disconnected from reality.
 

Chris24601

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on March 12, 2024, 09:38:04 AM
Mercer didn't damage the hobby. The damage came from unrealistic expectations from Critical Role viewers who wanted to live the Critical Role experience. That desire had no connection to the realities of the hobby. No real connection to reality at all.

It would be the same as if someone entered the Star Wars cosplay hobby. And expected to pick up a real lightsaber. Absolutely disconnected from reality.
Mostly agree at the start, though Mercer did nothing to discourage the expectation either. Then leaned into it with various game supplements marketed as helping to capture the experience.

blackstone

Here's what I wrote on Dungeon Craft's channel about Mercer and his "cult"

Quoteas far as Mercer: that overrated hack is getting exactly what he deserves. Oh he can't deal with a group not following his railroad of bullshit? Boo fucking hoo. Cry me a river! He should try running a real gaming session. Oh wait...HE CAN'T because  what he shows is not a real gaming session.  His over-rated and over glorified channel of wannabes has done more harm to the RPG hobby than good. Now you have these "gaming tourists" who think that just because they watch Mercer's channel of crap, they think that's what dnd is...and they're all wrong.

link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGArPZ7E_sA
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Corolinth

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 05, 2024, 04:19:38 AM
Quote from: Corolinth on March 04, 2024, 10:37:19 PM
I never watched an episode of Critical Role. There was some Amazon Prime TV show, and I watched the first episode, but it was dogshit and I passed.

I'm gonna go off on a limb here and say that Matt Mercer damaged the hobby by becoming popular enough that the grognards feel compelled to bitch about how he taught new players to Play The Game Wrong (tm). Frankly, I'm not convinced Matt Mercer did any more damage to the hobby than a bunch of goths sitting around wearing eyeliner, drinking clamato juice, and having a contest about who can be the most melodramatic twat at the table.

You know...

Swap the rainbow for the color black...

Swap stupid pretentious pronouns for stupid pretentious names...

I think I'm on to something here.


Well, the livestream went very well, and you can watch the replay to find out what my actual argument was.

Look, some of your videos are pretty good. I find some of your takes to be on-point. I like Meatball's cameos. But I don't have three and a half hours to spend on anybody's opinion of Matt Mercer. The guy ain't that important.

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Quote from: Corolinth on March 13, 2024, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 05, 2024, 04:19:38 AM
Quote from: Corolinth on March 04, 2024, 10:37:19 PM
I never watched an episode of Critical Role. There was some Amazon Prime TV show, and I watched the first episode, but it was dogshit and I passed.

I'm gonna go off on a limb here and say that Matt Mercer damaged the hobby by becoming popular enough that the grognards feel compelled to bitch about how he taught new players to Play The Game Wrong (tm). Frankly, I'm not convinced Matt Mercer did any more damage to the hobby than a bunch of goths sitting around wearing eyeliner, drinking clamato juice, and having a contest about who can be the most melodramatic twat at the table.

You know...

Swap the rainbow for the color black...

Swap stupid pretentious pronouns for stupid pretentious names...

I think I'm on to something here.


Well, the livestream went very well, and you can watch the replay to find out what my actual argument was.

Look, some of your videos are pretty good. I find some of your takes to be on-point. I like Meatball's cameos. But I don't have three and a half hours to spend on anybody's opinion of Matt Mercer. The guy ain't that important.

Argue for your limitations and you will have them. But it means you don't really have the qualifications to post on this thread, which is about the video.
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