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How many RPGs have a Harlot Table?

Started by Jam The MF, December 18, 2023, 11:23:21 PM

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Jam The MF

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Venka

Technically according to the version document I think you're allowed to import it by RAW, so arrrguably 2e does as well.

JeremyR

You mean a table for city encounters that had prostitutes as an entry on it, and a sub-table for that entry? Not many RPGs had random city encounter tables

1stLevelWizard

Woah, woah take it easy there. These aren't just any old cheap harlots, these are saucy tarts we're talking about here.
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Brad

There was something in the Judges Guild ref sheets, but that was intended for D&D.

Also, only the best RPGs have a harlot table.
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I

Four Against Darkness has released a supplement for city & town building that contains a chapter on "Strumpetry."




Captain_Pazuzu

Not sure if this what you're looking for but there used to be a homebrew book called " The Complete Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge."  I think it was for 2nd edition or maybe Ad&D

You can probably still find it online in pdf. 

Baron

I'm not going to dig around, but in addition to the DMG and Judges Guild, how about Gamelord's Thieves Guild, including City of Haven? Probably did. Also Midkemia Press, whose city encounters ended up in Chaosium's Thieves World and their subsequent Cities book for Runequest. Again I couldn't swear it, but I think I remember prostitutes listed in them.

David Johansen

Dragonquest had a Courtesan skill.

Rolemaster Standard System has a Houri training package and a Harlot training package.

Looking at 19.4.4 Social / Culture / Civilization Encounter Table I don't see any though Local Rowdies, Local Residents Playing,  Spies, Pickpockets and Thieves might overlap.

Classic Traveller has an encounter table in Book 3 that might include them though I'd have to dig through a stack of boxes in the basement to find it.

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yosemitemike

That's the only one I have ever heard of.  It's the only one I ever see people talk about.  It's cited by disingenuous woke types to justify their preoccupation with shoving sexuality into everything in the same way that The Brave & The Bold is cited by the same people to justify the absurd politicization of current comics.  There may be more tables like that in some of the many fantasy heartbreakers that have come out over the decades but no one ever mentions them.   
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Baron

No one argues that the DMG table doesn't exist, and I know darned well that the Judges Guild table exists too because I've used it many times over the decades. But I went and looked at the rest that I'd mentioned upthread too. Chaosium's Thieves World, Midkemia Press' Cities book, Avalon Hill's Runequest Cities book, and Gamelords' City of Haven all have random wandering encounters with prostitutes. Also, TSR's 1st edition AD&D City of Lankhmar has a courtesans' guild and brothels, as well as the Plaza of Dark Delights – there are no random encounter tables provided, you have to use the DMG for that.

The DMG may be the example targeted by the outraged, and is certainly the obvious choice for that since it's for D&D. But the rest that I checked are not heartbreakers.

I suppose the question I have is, why the OP asked. If he'd like resources, here are some. If he's just curious, these were all pretty well known back in the day. I can't speak for whatever came after.

yosemitemike

That particular table is frequently cited in very disingenuous ways.  One is to support the claim that D&D and D&D players were terribly sexist and hateful of women back then.  Another is to justify the current obsession with cramming sexuality into everything by claiming that the sexual stuff was always there.  But look, saucy harlot.  In order to sustain this, they have to lie about how prevalent and significant tables like that were.  They have to act like this was much more prevalent and significant in the hobby than it actually was.  It's hard to use a table from a boxed set that went out of print in the 80s to support current year talking point though so they just bring up that one table from the DMG from 45 years ago.   

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David Johansen

I forgot, the Midkemia Press book Cities had prostitutes in its exhaustive encounter charts.
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yosemitemike

Almost all of the games back then had many random tables in them.  That old school sandbox style game isn't really viable without them. 
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Jam The MF

Quote from: Baron on December 19, 2023, 11:26:45 PM
No one argues that the DMG table doesn't exist, and I know darned well that the Judges Guild table exists too because I've used it many times over the decades. But I went and looked at the rest that I'd mentioned upthread too. Chaosium's Thieves World, Midkemia Press' Cities book, Avalon Hill's Runequest Cities book, and Gamelords' City of Haven all have random wandering encounters with prostitutes. Also, TSR's 1st edition AD&D City of Lankhmar has a courtesans' guild and brothels, as well as the Plaza of Dark Delights – there are no random encounter tables provided, you have to use the DMG for that.

The DMG may be the example targeted by the outraged, and is certainly the obvious choice for that since it's for D&D. But the rest that I checked are not heartbreakers.

I suppose the question I have is, why the OP asked. If he'd like resources, here are some. If he's just curious, these were all pretty well known back in the day. I can't speak for whatever came after.

Well, thanks for asking.  It's a bit of random curiosity, and also me wondering why the 1E AD&D DMG is the only one I've ever seen criticized for such.  If there were a half dozen other games that featured similar content, back then; why aren't they being criticized as well?  My gut tells me, it is just people wanting to criticize Gary Gygax.  Tarts and Strumpets on paper, in a game about fictional places; is dangerous, you see....
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