Quote from: Emperor Norton;750483I see. So its childish now to call a stupid definition stupid?

"Have you played in an RPG in the last month?" is an moronic definition of the word gamer.

If you want to know who has played RPGs in the last month, ask that directly. There is no reason to tie that to a definition that doesn't...

Quote from: Rincewind1;750485Actually isn't it a born power of Hanover Fiste in the original comics?

The best thing about this forum is the bifurcating tangents.

Quote from: mcbobbo;750195Game was had.  XP delt out.  Happy campers all around.

Me too - and I killed a PC in my 4e game tonight for the first time in two years! :cool:

Quote from: Rincewind1;750485Actually isn't it a born power of Hanover Fiste in the original comics?

I could dig through my stack of old Heavy Metals that I have somewhere, but I bet I don't have that one. It could be a natural power of his, though by the movie, it doesn't look like it.

As far as the term "Gamer" - mengtzu on tbp once warned me for being "profoundly" disconnected with gamer-culture.


I laughed.

/totally arrogant Austrian derisive snort

Quote from: dragoner;750499I could dig through my stack of old Heavy Metals that I have somewhere, but I bet I don't have that one. It could be a natural power of his, though by the movie, it doesn't look like it.

As far as the term "Gamer" - mengtzu on tbp once warned me for being "profoundly" disconnected with gamer-culture.


I laughed.

/totally arrogant Austrian derisive snort

Oh, in the film I'd agree (the ending's different as well, since Hanover is probably the only person that Sternn hasn't tricked...too much).

Quote from: Dodger;750487The best thing about this forum is the bifurcating tangents.

Better than watching various STERN ADVOCATES OF GAMING wiggling on the hook as they suddenly discover according to some other definition THEY are BNGs.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;750483people don't like being told how they aren't a gamer (and therefore by extension shouldn't be listened to), despite playing regularly for years on end.

See, THAT's the part where I'm having trouble understanding your perspective. I see no evidence of such sentiment, at least not in this thread. I think you're just being overly-sensitive.

You can call yourself a gamer, if you want, even if you haven't been gaming for ten years. I don't see that it really matters. For all I know you spent the previous 20 trapped in a small room with only a since 20-sided dice and a rulebook for company and know more about the deep interiour philosophies of mechanics than Gandhi did about small round spectacles.

//Panjumanju

Quote from: Panjumanju;750651See, THAT's the part where I'm having trouble understanding your perspective. I see no evidence of such sentiment, at least not in this thread. I think you're just being overly-sensitive.

You can call yourself a gamer, if you want, even if you haven't been gaming for ten years. I don't see that it really matters. For all I know you spent the previous 20 trapped in a small room with only a since 20-sided dice and a rulebook for company and know more about the deep interiour philosophies of mechanics than Gandhi did about small round spectacles.

//Panjumanju

Considering how condescending this site is towards non gamers, and Pundy in particular, it's a very understandable perspective.

"Non gamers are useless assholes and should not be listened to" (paraphrase but not inaccurate) combined with "if you haven't played in a month you're a non gamer" isn't going to go down well.

Quote from: Rincewind1;750485Actually isn't it a born power of Hanover Fiste in the original comics?


He certainly does in Running out of Time, but I think that's definitely after Loc - Nar storyline in Heavy Metal.

My theory that it is inherent is based on two things:

Stern says he has an angle, and without the hulking out to arrange for stern to physically escape, it seems absurd that meek hanover saying stern is a nice guy would sway the court at all.

And, Sterns reaction when he pays hannover simply makes more sense if he knew all along about hulking hannover.

I think the hostility isn't so much directed at non gamers per se, but to people who never game but insist on shoving their opinion of said games down your throat like they have some sort of authority.

Essentially, the hostility is towards adamant theorycrafters who don't actually play.  Not just people who don't play that often in general.

Quote from: Bill;750657My theory that it is inherent is based on two things:

Stern says he has an angle, and without the hulking out to arrange for stern to physically escape, it seems absurd that meek hanover saying stern is a nice guy would sway the court at all.

And, Sterns reaction when he pays hannover simply makes more sense if he knew all along about hulking hannover.

That said, do notice when he pays Hannover he's paying him much more than he mentioned to the lawyer, like a cornered man who knows throwing a bonus might save his skin.

Quote from: Rincewind1;750661That said, do notice when he pays Hannover he's paying him much more than he mentioned to the lawyer, like a cornered man who knows throwing a bonus might save his skin.

That would apply in either case; Hannover is dangerous when hulked out.
But stern certainly seemed prepared to kill hannover; this strongly suggests the payoff was planned. And there is no way in hell a meek hannover testifying to sterns goodness was 'the angle.'

Quote from: Old Geezer;750655Considering how condescending this site is towards non gamers, and Pundy in particular, it's a very understandable perspective.

"Non gamers are useless assholes and should not be listened to" (paraphrase but not inaccurate) combined with "if you haven't played in a month you're a non gamer" isn't going to go down well.

Bingo.

Quote from: Panjumanju;749890I don't understand why you're getting personal. You're making the assumption that I'm arguing that a regular gaming schedule is somehow a superiour lifestyle. It's obviously not. There are always other, superiour, priorities in life. This isn't a qualitative judgement - people who are playing regularly are not better or wiser than people who are not.

But if you have not played a roleplaying game in a month, you are not playing regularly. This is a participatory medium. Your daydreams and intentions to game do not count.

If you haven't jogged in a month, you are not jogging regularly. You can't call yourself a jogger. If you haven't painted in a month, you're not painting regularly. You're not a painter. This is not an issue of maturity, it's word definition.

//Panjumanju

Gaming isn't exercising. No one says, "I'm an exerciser."

Someone might say, "I'm a runner," even if they haven't run in a month.

Gaming is part of an identity -- which is why we use a to-be form of the verb. Someone can have something as part of their identity even if they aren't participating regularly.

I'm a fan of Firefly. It's been quite awhile since I watched the show. I'm a Republican. It's been more than a month since I voted.

Gamerness is basically self-proclaimed membership in a club.

If someone wants to ask if we've gamed in the last month, and they don't want to be a cock about it, they should say, "Have you gamed in the last month."

Cheers,
-E.

Quote from: -E.;751384Gaming isn't exercising. No one says, "I'm an exerciser."

Someone might say, "I'm a runner," even if they haven't run in a month.

Gaming is part of an identity -- which is why we use a to-be form of the verb. Someone can have something as part of their identity even if they aren't participating regularly.

I'm a fan of Firefly. It's been quite awhile since I watched the show. I'm a Republican. It's been more than a month since I voted.

Gamerness is basically self-proclaimed membership in a club.

If someone wants to ask if we've gamed in the last month, and they don't want to be a cock about it, they should say, "Have you gamed in the last month."

Cheers,
-E.

Except if you've ran for the last time 2 - 3 months ago, the actual daily runners will snort at you calling yourself a runner.

Hank Moody nailed it in one if one of the most under appreciated quotes of the series.

"I'm not a writer. Writers write. I haven't written anything for months."

If you've not been gaming, and had a chance, it means your identity is a pose. Of course it's a hobby, but if you're taking "gamer" as a part of your identity, this means it's serious enough for you (for a given value of serious), that the name "casual" drops by default - or you should perhaps mention it.

Rather than set an arbitrary time period, we ought to perhaps ask ourselves a simpler questions - do we game when we can, or do we replace that activity with something of more interest to us?

Quote from: -E.;751384Gaming isn't exercising. No one says, "I'm an exerciser."

You've never heard of Crossfit, have you?

Quote from: Rincewind1;751521Except if you've ran for the last time 2 - 3 months ago, the actual daily runners will snort at you calling yourself a runner.

Hank Moody nailed it in one if one of the most under appreciated quotes of the series.

"I'm not a writer. Writers write. I haven't written anything for months."

If you've not been gaming, and had a chance, it means your identity is a pose. Of course it's a hobby, but if you're taking "gamer" as a part of your identity, this means it's serious enough for you (for a given value of serious), that the name "casual" drops by default - or you should perhaps mention it.

Rather than set an arbitrary time period, we ought to perhaps ask ourselves a simpler questions - do we game when we can, or do we replace that activity with something of more interest to us?

The first question I would ask is, "why would you attempt to set a condition of any kind for accepting someone's self-identification as a gamer?"

There are valid reasons to question self-applied titles, but in my experience the vast number of times someone tries to play gate-keeper for something as trivial as a hobby or fandom, it's dickish or at least dick-like behavior.

In the absence of a reason for asking the question, I think the presumption of cock-dom is warranted.

I'd be happy to learn I'm wrong, though, so in that spirit, let me ask you: what would be the point of framing the question the way you suggest in your post?

And why would it be superior to just accepting that anyone who wants to identify as a gamer, is a gamer?

Cheers,
-E.