I have sadly not played or GM'd anything substantial for far too long.
I think I managed a short one-on-one sometime last year, ....

Non-gamers? Hanging's too good for them. Burning's too good for them! They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

Quote from: Panjumanju;750014If you can think of a better definition for the purposes of this thread, then argue it, and stop being so needlessly persnickety.

//Panjumanju

The easy solution is to extend the time period and go for more regularity than immediate. Say, have you played X number of times in the last year, or two years.

Think about it. The definition Pundit put forward says that a person who gamed once in the last 10 years, but it happened to be this month, is a gamer, while someone who has taken a month long break after playing weekly games for 10 years isn't.

(And actually, I would be more likely to use the term inactive gamer than non-gamer for someone who hasn't been playing recently, especially if the desire is still there to play, but circumstances aren't cooperating).

Quote from: Emperor Norton;750110The easy solution is to extend the time period and go for more regularity than immediate. Say, have you played X number of times in the last year, or two years.

Think about it. The definition Pundit put forward says that a person who gamed once in the last 10 years, but it happened to be this month, is a gamer, while someone who has taken a month long break after playing weekly games for 10 years isn't.

(And actually, I would be more likely to use the term inactive gamer than non-gamer for someone who hasn't been playing recently, especially if the desire is still there to play, but circumstances aren't cooperating).

You're right. But...

While I agree that 'inactive gamer' is a better term for someone who has not played recently, and that the simple definition of "in the last month" can be muddled by freak occurrences, I don't think your suggestion ultimately works any better.

This thread was never going to offer a reliable categorisation of current vs. not current gaming. I think you've reached a point of diminishing returns where your criteria is certainly more accurate, but it becomes more difficult to assess the resulting data in any practical way. The best this thread can hope for is a vague sense of "oh, isn't that neat" in regards to the proportion of active gamers among posters. Anything beyond that, I think, is approached with increasing pedantry.

I think it's better to leave people to trust. "I haven't gamed in 10 years but I did last week, so I'm not really an active gamer", or - playing to gamer's emotional proclivities: "I gamed every week for 35 years but I've been away for a freak month, so I'd hate to think of myself as not being an active gamer."

Regardless, we get interesting perspectives on how people interact with the hobby. I don't think it needs further categorisation.

//Panjumanju

Quote from: flyerfan1991;749906It's been over a month since our last RPG session, but I have been doing plenty of board and card gaming in the interim.

Actually, we're supposed to play this Sunday, so the drought will finally end.

Ha - I know you.
You sort of have a group nearby most of the time that might want to game. I've seen all of you shop at the store (LOL)

- Ed

Quote from: dragoner;750068Hanging's too good for them. Burning's too good for them! They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

The most we can hope for is to get buried in secrecy so our graves don't get violated.

Quote from: Panjumanju;750124This thread was never going to offer a reliable categorisation of current vs. not current gaming.

Do you think that was the point?

The whole things stinks of more-gamer-than-thou Puritanism.

I love playing roleplaying games, but I love doing a lot of other things, too. My enjoyment of and engagement with the hobby isn't predicated on some ridiculous arbitrary standard of frequency.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;750184The most we can hope for is to get buried in secrecy so our graves don't get violated.

Nope, then the Loc Nar re-animates you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpb8QNdVjJA

Game was had.  XP delt out.  Happy campers all around.

It's been a few months for me, unfortunately. Honestly, I was burned out. Our group wasn't all that tight, either, so it was going to happen sooner or later.

I've done this before. Take up to a year off, just doing other hobbies (right now it's anime and World of Tanks/Warplanes). Then I'll get the bug and go out and find a group and game hardcore for months on end.

Basically, if I'm not posting much, I'm not in an active game. If I'm posting multiple times per day, I'm gaming.

Quote from: dragoner;750189Nope, then the Loc Nar re-animates you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpb8QNdVjJA

Maybe you can settle an epic debate I have with another fan of Heavy Metal.

Did the Loc-Nar give Hannover fist his growth power, or did he have that naturally, and the Loc-Nar was just a bystander.

One guy says the Loc nar did it because Hannover was touching it.

The other Guy says Hanover had that power naturally, suggested by Captain Stern's nonchalant reaction when he paid Hannover the cash.


Which is it?

Quote from: Bill;750406Maybe you can settle an epic debate I have with another fan of Heavy Metal.

Did the Loc-Nar give Hannover fist his growth power, or did he have that naturally, and the Loc-Nar was just a bystander.

One guy says the Loc nar did it because Hannover was touching it.

The other Guy says Hanover had that power naturally, suggested by Captain Stern's nonchalant reaction when he paid Hannover the cash.


Which is it?

The Loc Nar gives him the power, imo it is what makes him turn against Stern as well. I always assumed it did though, and I have seen the movie a bunch of times; it is an interesting thought that it the bystander, but through the rest of the stories it seems it is always doing something, like changing people, only the cabbie is able to resist. Stern was a smooth operator, like when he was in court: "Don't worry about it, I got an angle."

Metal Hurlant has the same theme, just with the burnt out core(?) of a planet.

Quote from: Bill;750406Maybe you can settle an epic debate I have with another fan of Heavy Metal.

Did the Loc-Nar give Hannover fist his growth power, or did he have that naturally, and the Loc-Nar was just a bystander.

One guy says the Loc nar did it because Hannover was touching it.

The other Guy says Hanover had that power naturally, suggested by Captain Stern's nonchalant reaction when he paid Hannover the cash.


Which is it?

There's a Captain Stern comic which may have the answer to the question.  I've never seen it.  I make the completely wild and unsupported assumption that in the dedicated comic that Hannover Fist has the inherent power to monster out.

In the context of Heavy Metal, though, I'd have to say that Hannover is mutated by the Loc Nar.  As for his changing back... Captain Stern and the one with the smiley ship (So Beautiful, So Dangerous?) are the unabashed humor pieces in the movie, so I think they're just meant to be enjoyed as such.  Or if you want to read something into it, then I'd say Hannover's de-powering was meant to show that money has more power over him than any other force.

"I offered him 35 thousand zoolecks to testify on my behalf."

"Even when those have the will to discard me.  My power is not diminished."

Quote from: Black Vulmea;750184The whole things stinks of more-gamer-than-thou Puritanism.

Your impression is unfounded. In fact, the opposite has been the case in this thread.

I see a lot of childish posts from people afraid they might be judged for not gaming, and I don't see any from a frequent gamer trying to count someone else's opinion as invalid. If I've missed one that does, I apologise, but the point is - I think the only conflict here is being generated by misplaced social paranoia.

//Panjumanju

I see. So its childish now to call a stupid definition stupid?

"Have you played in an RPG in the last month?" is an moronic definition of the word gamer.

If you want to know who has played RPGs in the last month, ask that directly. There is no reason to tie that to a definition that doesn't match it (gamer) except to somehow discredit their opinion.

Hell, every time there is a disagreement on this site, you'll see at least one guy pop in to talk about how people with one opinion or another isn't actually a gamer and just masturbates on rules. How about you not ignore the context of the fact that this site regularly uses "not a gamer" as an insult to discredit the opinions of others in arguments, and then see why maybe, just maybe, people don't like being told how they aren't a gamer (and therefore by extension shouldn't be listened to), despite playing regularly for years on end.

Quote from: dragoner;750449The Loc Nar gives him the power, imo it is what makes him turn against Stern as well. I always assumed it did though, and I have seen the movie a bunch of times; it is an interesting thought that it the bystander, but through the rest of the stories it seems it is always doing something, like changing people, only the cabbie is able to resist. Stern was a smooth operator, like when he was in court: "Don't worry about it, I got an angle."

Metal Hurlant has the same theme, just with the burnt out core(?) of a planet.

Actually isn't it a born power of Hanover Fiste in the original comics?

Quote from: Gabriel2;750456There's a Captain Stern comic which may have the answer to the question.  I've never seen it.  I make the completely wild and unsupported assumption that in the dedicated comic that Hannover Fist has the inherent power to monster out.

In the context of Heavy Metal, though, I'd have to say that Hannover is mutated by the Loc Nar.  As for his changing back... Captain Stern and the one with the smiley ship (So Beautiful, So Dangerous?) are the unabashed humor pieces in the movie, so I think they're just meant to be enjoyed as such.  Or if you want to read something into it, then I'd say Hannover's de-powering was meant to show that money has more power over him than any other force.

"I offered him 35 thousand zoolecks to testify on my behalf."

"Even when those have the will to discard me.  My power is not diminished."

He certainly does in Running out of Time, but I think that's definitely after Loc - Nar storyline in Heavy Metal.