In all fairness; blatant pandering by Paizo in PF 2E, is no more offensive to me than pandering by WOTC in D&D 5E.  Except, Paizo is trying hard to out pander WOTC.  They are alienating some of their potential customers in doing so, and they don't seemingly care.  They expect to gain more than they lose.  But the ones they gain will demand more and more pandering, whether they actually purchase much product or not.  Any gains may be short lived.

Quote from: Razor 007;1085891In all fairness; blatant pandering by Paizo in PF 2E, is no more offensive to me than pandering by WOTC in D&D 5E.  Except, Paizo is trying hard to out pander WOTC.  They are alienating some of their potential customers in doing so, and they don't seemingly care.  They expect to gain more than they lose.  But the ones they gain will demand more and more pandering, whether they actually purchase much product or not.  Any gains may be short lived.

Exactly I saw and read some diversity and inclusivity elements in 5E. Note I a m not against either even if really for both companies it is suddenly becoming fully woke and pandering to SJWs. With 5E I could see myself still playing the rpg. While one of the reasons for not buying let alone playing 2E PF is essentially Paizo saying "as a player you will confirm to our sudden impossibly high fully woke standards to what is a good more right player for the hobby". At first I was angry enough to no longer play botheditions of PF. as well as not impressed with the new rules overall as a whole and a lack of interest in buying a new edition. To be honest I enjoy PF 1E too much and more importantly I know too many gamers who want to keep playing both.

A friend just send me this link a few minutes ago I never expected this and while it is a smart business move talk about showing your competitor rpg is doing better than yours. With no support for 1E Pathfinder

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgmf&page=3?Help-Paizo-Celebrate-Kingmakers-10th-Anniversary#discuss

10th anniversary King Maker?

Sign me up baby!

Quote from: Shasarak;108593410th anniversary King Maker?

For PF2E/5E only...

Quote from: Rhedyn;1085882Old wizard's secluded in their towers, the grizzled old guard captain, wise women all by herself? All queer. Where are their significant others? If they aren't dead they probably have separate houses to lower suspicion and they can afford that luxury since they didn't have kids and apprentices are technically free-labor (cheaper).

You're right, there are absolutely no single straight people in any of those archetypes.  Nobody ever gets to old age without having a socially acceptable spouse to live with unless their desired spouse is either dead or socially unacceptable.  It just doesn't happen.   /s

Quote from: Razor 007;1085789But they purposely pointed out to the LGBTQ+ crowd, "hey look; we've put the lesbians on the front cover now, and we've taken the male fighter off the front cover.  Isn't that great!!!". They didn't just do it, they pointed it out.  Pathetic pandering........

I have the Kyra/Merisiel coming out comic.

If you can provide blatant fanservice to straight white males while claiming Wokemon points from the LGBTQ you are doing well!

Quote from: Manic Modron;1085956You're right, there are absolutely no single straight people in any of those archetypes.  Nobody ever gets to old age without having a socially acceptable spouse to live with unless their desired spouse is either dead or socially unacceptable.  It just doesn't happen.   /s

Well there are asexuals.

What you really think such accomplished individuals couldn't find somebody if they wanted too?

Quote from: Rhedyn;1085974Well there are asexuals.

What you really think such accomplished individuals couldn't find somebody if they wanted too?

 Aside from the very real "they don't want to," yes.   It is completely possible.  There are plenty of reasons  for solitude that don't have to do with whether or not somebody can have a public relationship outside of social taboos.

Quote from: kythri;1085955For PF2E/5E only...

They are the two main systems.  I dont mind 5e players getting thrown a bone to suck them into a good RPG system.

Quote from: Shasarak;1086045They are the two main systems.  I dont mind 5e players getting thrown a bone to suck them into a good RPG system.

Understand that, but if they're going to multi-stat it, it'd be nice to see PF1E stats as well, given that system ain't going anywhere anytime soon...

Quote from: kythri;1086055Understand that, but if they're going to multi-stat it, it'd be nice to see PF1E stats as well, given that system ain't going anywhere anytime soon...

PF 1E will keep on existing for another 10 years, without any new adventures being released for it.

I'm tempted to get together with some of my fellow gamers and make our own fork of Pathfinder 1E just to spite the Anarcho-Communist/Marxist-Leninist propaganda trainwreck of Pathfinder 2E.

Y'know, sort of like how Pathfinder was initially a D&D 3.5 retro-clone that was created to spite the very existence of the colossal trainwreck that was D&D 4E.

Long time pathfinder fan here and I've been totally turned off by the thing mainly by there new art for the iconics which (IMHO) looks much worse than the origonal versions except for 1. What has really pissed me off is the way there handling critasism of the new art (Apparently any critique of the female characters is shaming of real life women). Which in the case of the only updated one I like the sorceror Seoni is especially jarring or to paraphrase Archer "Yes because thats why you put Seoni in her origonal outfit to  highlight her intellect."

Just so everyone can see what I'm talking about
https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4P
And Seoni old vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http://

And new paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg

Paizo is rolling the dice on their own 2E.  I knew they would, at some point.  But a lot of their claim to fame, was that you could continue to play the version you already knew and loved.