For a home based Pathfinder game; I'm too far invested into 1E, to ever switch to 2E.  I purchased a copy of the Playtest Rulebook; but I already have probably a dozen books for 1E, and a great campaign setting.  I'm not replacing what I already have.  I don't feel that my PF stuff is lacking anything.

Quote from: Razor 007;1085442For a home based Pathfinder game; I'm too far invested into 1E, to ever switch to 2E.  I purchased a copy of the Playtest Rulebook; but I already have probably a dozen books for 1E, and a great campaign setting.  I'm not replacing what I already have.  I don't feel that my PF stuff is lacking anything.

I'll be keeping Pathfinder 1E and playing it, there's no way in Hell that I am supporting the Marxist propaganda that is Pathfinder 2E.

I am aiming to finish up my Starfinder campaign first.  I figure that will give me enough time to see if PF2 is Marxist enough to satisfy me.

Haha!!! Both sides of the coin, in the first two replies!!!

Quote from: Shasarak;1085445I am aiming to finish up my Starfinder campaign first.  I figure that will give me enough time to see if PF2 is Marxist enough to satisfy me.

Greetings!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!:D

That had me almost in tears from laughing, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

None of my local players are interested in 2e PF. They got into PF in the first place because it was essentially straight up 3e D&D with more widgets. 2e PF to them is not that.

Quote from: Omega;1085472None of my local players are interested in 2e PF. They got into PF in the first place because it was essentially straight up 3e D&D with more widgets. 2e PF to them is not that.

Yes.  That says it well.  They are not compatible.

I cannot blame Paizo for trying to actually release something new as with 5E I'm not sure if a rehash of rehash of 3.5 with better production values would sell as well as a second time. The same factors that made PF 1E are not in place this time around. D&D 4E and a fanbase that was at the time more resistant to change. 5E changed that. As well the flaws of the 3.5 rpg engine are well known and short of them relying on 3pp to fix the flaws as the Paizo devs seemed reluctant to fix the flaws they needed something new and fresh even if it may not be for everyone including myself. While I do not see it as Marxist propaganda (curious in what way?).

Their insulting, finger wagging, talking down to myself and other gamers as if we are terrible people SJW  "you must be a full time psychologist" Manifesto on pages 6&7 did turn me off wanting to buy the new edition. To be honest I was already on the fence about buying a new edition of D&D. Reaching an age where on so many levels yet more importantly financially I just do not feel like doing so. If 5E was not released I probably would have as while I can work around many of the flaws of 1E PF I just find it too consuming. The sad part is they could have kept 1E going if the Paizo devs had actually tried to address some of the same flaws in official yet optional spurcebooks like the Skills and Powers for 2E D&D. That being said everyone says they never will buy the new edition yet depending on their area they game in. They either switch over or they do not find a group. Or forced to go on roll20 to get a group. It took me awhile to switch over to 3E when it came out and it killed off about 60-80% of the 1E and 2E D&D campaigns in my area. So it was either adapt and buy the new edition. Or wait who knows how long before older editions campaigns if ever were to come back. Which they did almost a decade later.

I don't even like D&D 5e, but I'm also done with PF1e (no one wants to run it).

PF2e isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It's still not exciting. Our group has already moved on to Savage Worlds and PF2e lacks more interesting casters (they nerfed magic so much that I would rather play a Savage Worlds caster, which is sad, because cool magic is the one thing a D&D clone should be doing better. Though magic is still OP, it's just less fun in PF2e).

PF2e is probably going to end up like a Numenera with more baggage for me. A neat little system that I find boring but is clearly well done, with the baggage of this killing a game I liked.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1085529I don't even like D&D 5e, but I'm also done with PF1e (no one wants to run it).

PF2e isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It's still not exciting. Our group has already moved on to Savage Worlds and PF2e lacks more interesting casters (they nerfed magic so much that I would rather play a Savage Worlds caster, which is sad, because cool magic is the one thing a D&D clone should be doing better. Though magic is still OP, it's just less fun in PF2e).

PF2e is probably going to end up like a Numenera with more baggage for me. A neat little system that I find boring but is clearly well done, with the baggage of this killing a game I liked.

That is a big hurdle for PF 1E.  Someone has to run it, so everyone else can enjoy it.

But with the Playtest, it's not as appealing on the players' side anymore?  

I still expect the 640 page 2E rulebook to be an interesting piece of RPG literature, though.

The one PF campaign I'm playing in is my brother's. I don't know if he plans to move to 2nd edition or stick with 1st.

"No NO NO! You all have to convert to the new edition and play gender-fluid Dragonelf Whatchamacallits (new class that can pick any feats, skills, class abilities and spells, regardless of level)!"

The Paizo forums have been a crackling dumpster-fire visible from space ever since the playtest started. It's worse than the D&D 4E launch. Easily. People are committing text-based seppuku.

I cannot believe Paizo missed the mark so badly. Is it just PF1E grogs defending their turf? I liked the "Unchained" rules, but this new version is something different. But, different is same.

I've played & run PF1E. It's a blast, to the point that I thought it might overcome my OTL (The Arcanum, Bard Games, 1985). But, the available race-class combinations got way too silly for me, eventually. I'll stick to what I wanted AD&D2E to be.

For me though I --- I always feel a measure of pain when editions change because the gamers who REALLY enjoy that previous edition seem to always cry out. Like a gazelle being eaten alive by a lion. Man, these edition changes.

Quote from: sureshot;1085493While I do not see it as Marxist propaganda (curious in what way?).

Marxism ---> heavily influences post World War II French intellectuals (think Foucault & Derrida) ---> French intellectuals' ideas revered by faculties in the USA during the 70s ("French Theory") ---> French Theory mixes with feminism in the 70s and 80s ---> today: Simpering Juvenile Whiners (SJWs) - the ugly postmodern stepchildren of marxism and feminism ; unconsciously or not, they want to dismantle Western civilisation. As a liberal humanist, I say : fuck them and a pox on their mad house !

Quote from: sureshot;1085493Their insulting, finger wagging, talking down to myself and other gamers as if we are terrible people SJW  "you must be a full time psychologist" Manifesto on pages 6&7 did turn me off wanting to buy the new edition.

It had the same effect on me. I really wonder: do Lisa Stevens and Vic Wertz, Paizo's bosses, realize that they have alienated some of their former user base with their pseudo-moralistic bullshit ? Do they even care ?

So obviously: no PF 2E for me, unless Paizo cuts on the SJW bullshit.

Ho: they should leave trans people well alone too, instead of "celebrating" them. It's disrespecful of them and cringingly embarrassing (sigh).

Quote from: Razor 007;1085442but I already have probably a dozen books for 1E

In Pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.

Quote from: happydaze;1085598in pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.

lol & qft.