It's not like gaming is zero sum. People who like OSR games will continue to play them, and people who are interested in Next will check it out.

Quote from: J Arcane;753508Allow me to officially assure the reading public that I will continue to produce whatever madness my fevered brain constructs regardless of whatever the hell happens to come out of Redmond this month, just as I always have.

Frankly, I consider it a personal failing that Arcana Rising was as market friendly as it was.

5th Edition really has no more relevance to my continued output than any other game.

At the moment, I'm actually more threatened by the new ICONS and Valiant Universe ...

I demand you lower your standards then! One more mistake like Arcana Rising out of you will surely have the Game Police hunting you down.

Quote from: Warthur;753499ACKS/DCC I suspect don't get as much play as self-contained games in themselves so much as they get raided for ideas to incorporate into existing campaigns with D&Dish rules sets.

I don't have hard data and I don't think anyone does. But if I had to guess I'd say DCC is probably the most successful stand-alone non-clone game to come out of the OSR. I'd say it's probably older editions and their clones (OSRIC, LL, S&W) > DCC and/or LotFP > ACKS, AS&SH, Mutant Future, SWN, Crypts & Things, Hulks & Horrors and others, God only knows in what order.

As for whether the OSR will still be a Big Thing. Well, I'm not so much skeptical of the idea that current OSR fans will adopt 5e, I just don't believe that the people who currently support the OSR will cease to do so with 5e, even if they buy into 5e. Unless maybe WotC puts out adventures that can compete with offerings as varied as Dyson's Delves, Stonehell, Anomalous Subsurface Environment, Carcosa, Jim Raggi's Grand Guignol takes on "rocks fall, everyone dies" and the DCC modules.

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;753514It's not like gaming is zero sum. People who like OSR games will continue to play them, and people who are interested in Next will check it out.

The TL;DR version of what I've just posted. Scooped.

If the new *Free* 5th edition is compatible enough with my OSRish campaign we'll likely make the switch. Some of my players will want to "upgrade", some others won't care, and new players we haven't met yet will be easier to meet simply because everyone will be playing the new shiny thing.

Going forward i think the OSR will continue to be a great crowdsource of  modules and house rules.

My only interest in 5e is at the Basic level. I don't see myself embracing the complexities of the full system... feats and whatnot. It also seems like most non-OSR folks who are drawn to it will quickly move past Basic, if they ever engage with Basic at all. So that divide will still be there... me and what remains of the OSR folks... even if we play Basic... vs. the updated D&D crowd with their bright and shiny hardbacks and rules I have no interest in.
The divide between simple and 'advanced' D&D players seems like it would favor a continuance of the OSR feed.

Ha ha.

Someone said that OSR

Quoteseems more of a design club along the lines of the Forge.

on this BBS.. ha ha..

If 5e is able to easily run old modules, then it's likely it'll run all the OSR stuff.

So maybe OSR will become an adventure style rather than a rules movement, which in many ways was secondary, if the talk of "style" over "rules" was/is valid.

Quote from: tzunder;753554If 5e is able to easily run old modules, then it's likely it'll run all the OSR stuff.

And visa versa... OSR folks will be able to make easier use any good modules WOTC puts out... for S&W, LotFP or whatever. Seems like win/win to me.

Quote from: tzunder;753554Ha ha.

Someone said that OSR  on this BBS.. ha ha..

If 5e is able to easily run old modules, then it's likely it'll run all the OSR stuff.

So maybe OSR will become an adventure style rather than a rules movement, which in many ways was secondary, if the talk of "style" over "rules" was/is valid.

Works for me. It would a win/win situation for both.

The OSR will chug along till the sun burns out. You can't say the same thing about Dungeons & Dragons. If Hasbro doesn't like the bottom line, they could shelve it at any time. Which is why the OSR exists in the first place.

I need some caffeine.

Quote from: Endless Flight;753560The OSR will chug along till the sun burns out. You can't say the same thing about Dungeons & Dragons. If Hasbro doesn't like the bottom line, they could shelve it at any time. Which is why the OSR exists in the first place.

I need some caffeine.

What if there's no money in it?  Still chugging along?

Quote from: mcbobbo;753561What if there's no money in it?  Still chugging along?

Dude, there's already no money in it.

Quote from: mcbobbo;753561What if there's no money in it?  Still chugging along?

I don't think there's much money in it now. The guys doing the various DCC zines (I can think of three)... they're certainly not making any dough off of it and I don't see signs they expect to.
Alarums and Excursions is still going, that's not a cash cow either.
It's the 'punk'/hobbyist attitude that it's tapped into... something missing in my gaming for a long long time... that's what caught my attention and attracted me to the OSR... not the 'nostalgia for D&D' angle.

Quote from: J Arcane;753563Dude, there's already no money in it.

Okay that's probably fair...  Let me try this...

Even in the Bad Old Days ala T$R?

3e was really open and it spawned a whole submarket of deritives via the OGL.  What if 5e doesn't?

Quote from: mcbobbo;753569Okay that's probably fair...  Let me try this...

Even in the Bad Old Days ala T$R?

3e was really open and it spawned a whole submarket of deritives via the OGL.  What if 5e doesn't?

Dude, 3e is STILL spawning a submarket of derivatives via the OGL.

How do you think the OSR can even exist?

I'll check out the free PDF, of course, but I'm not terribly optimistic about it being something I'd choose instead of my current editions of choice.  We'll see.