Quote from: Blackhand;452724Thanks.

I had to try really really hard.

Yeah? Try harder you wanker. Or go fucking die of aids.

Quote from: J Arcane;452729Oh pipe down, shithead.  You've been screaming at everyone on this board for as long as I remember.  Take your well deserved licks like a man and shut the fuck up.

At this point the only reason anyone's talking to you is because it's amusing to watch you react like an 8 year old with a God complex every time.

I have posted this thread as a valid discussion because it's a valid opinion. And yet, AGAIN, pricks like you steamroll in doing exactly what you accuse other people of. Go fucking kill yourself, I'm sick of this constant fucking abuse. Don't even try and justify it; you decided to troll this thread and you resorted to cheap abuse. If you dont' fucking like it then don't dish it out you prick.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452732I have posted this thread as a valid discussion because it's a valid opinion. And yet, AGAIN, pricks like you steamroll in doing exactly what you accuse other people of. Go fucking kill yourself, I'm sick of this constant fucking abuse. Don't even try and justify it; you decided to troll this thread and you resorted to cheap abuse. If you dont' fucking like it then don't dish it out you prick.

I've got no problems here, I'm not a spineless pussy.

I think you might find it an eye-opener though to go back and read any threads where I've discussed the Warhammer games.  

Maybe you'd realize that the problem here hasn't been your point, it's been your crippling lack of intellect, willful ignorance, and deliberate fabrications in service of that point.

That's what Spike was trying to get across to you, but you're too fucking self-important to realize it.  You even attacked him for it, like the fucking child you are, just for not being anything but a glowing endorsement of this massive troll of a thread.

Quote from: J Arcane;452734I've got no problems here, I'm not a spineless pussy.

I think you might find it an eye-opener though to go back and read any threads where I've discussed the Warhammer games.  

Maybe you'd realize that the problem here hasn't been your point, it's been your crippling lack of intellect, willful ignorance, and deliberate fabrications in service of that point.

That's what Spike was trying to get across to you, but you're too fucking self-important to realize it.  You even attacked him for it, like the fucking child you are, just for not being anything but a glowing endorsement of this massive troll of a thread.

Show exactly where I have been wilfully ignorant.
Show exactly where and what I have deliberately fabricated.
Back up your bullshit.

I think you are very much a spineless pussy, all you've done this entire thread is dleiberately troll just to push my buttons. Well congratulations, you got a response. That's big of you. What exactly have you contributed? All you've done is post the kind of flamebait troll crap you have the nerve to accuse me of. There is nothing remotely wrong with questioning the way this game was designed or asking if it's balanced and no one has put a gun to your head compelling you to join in with your bullshit. Yet here you are blabbering the most arrogant condescending crap i've seen in a long while.

I've expressed these opinions before, so what? You don't like it, then don't fucking read it. The problem here isn't a 'crippling lack of intellect' or any other of your glib insults, that you continue to throw out while complaining, ironically, about hypocrisy. The problem is that fanboy childishness that has made it perfectly acceptable to victimise me for posting my opinion. To whit: 'youre stupid', 'youre a pathetic lazy idiot', 'youre a pathetic baby', 'you shithead', 'youre this that and the other'. That's taking the higher ground is it? Like fuck is it. The last 5 pages or so of this thread have been dominated by this and you still have the fucking gall to perpetuate this behaviour while trying to make it sound as if I'm at fault for not understanding what someone else was trying to say when that, too, was all they were doing. Get to fuck you arrogent prick!

The only self important person here is you; you're patronising, arrogant, abusive and totally condescending.

The arrogance in this thread is disgusting.

I'm gonna humor you just this once.

I've tried in the past to explain this to you.  You seem to have the idea, so lets go over these points.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452725What the hell is that supposed to mean? I am quite capable of making stuff up that is not the fucking point.

No, that's exactly the point. There really isn't a lot of definitive information on all these and GW wants it that way.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452725But it requires that I have enough information on the factions themselves, which I personally don't have. So either I buy the codcies, which I don't want to do, to get the full background in order to develop them properly, or I just fudge it, which I don't want to do.

These are your options.  You don't want to do either one.  Play another game.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452725Why should I have to? Why aren't FFG doing this? Instead of pouring endless streams of unsolicited and unwarranted fucking abuse why not answer that question?

GW has the last word on all that, man.  They control their IP hard, and how it's presented.  Ask anyone, they'll tell you they work no other way.  

Now all these things have been repeatedly stated by the honored members of this forum, and I have stated them once more.

You have been presented options, and continually rail against them because you expect the game to be something it's not.  

It's a unique setting that cannot be approached conventionally.

For twenty years we have been hoping someone could get something like this developed, but I understood why there was never an official RPG.  When I heard this is how they would be creating the line (focused rulebooks and support products) I cheered...they fucking got it right!  At last, there would be an official RPG product for us - the 40k'rs!!

If you stopped to think about it, the setting really is too big to do a D&D style game with.  To preserve the mystery, gothic oppressiveness and medieval mystique of the universe it has to be displayed as humanocentric.  Aliens are aliens...even if you play them in the wargame, you never really feel like they are your friends.  Thus, it's only common sense there are no (few) aliens.  Duh.

Why were people surprised?

Also there are power levels (and influence levels) that are too wildly varying to facilitate roleplay, not to mention...well, lets just say, if you tried to shove Space Marines in with Guard or Adepts, you'd be fucking stupid.  Remember no one tried to do this for twenty years.

So I guess what I'm trying to tell you is the target audience for 40krpg (and to a lesser extent, WFRP itself) is NOT conventional RPG gamers, but the fans of the miniature game.  

It's not your fault you don't have all the material.  GW won't let FFG give it to you, so maybe you should really be bitching about them.

Or maybe you should try Rifts.

This thread was a troll from the beginning. I've done no more to lower the tone of it's intent than was originally meant by its very title.  

As for being a "fanboy", well, hence the reference to my previous posting record on the topic.  If you'd actually paid attention to anything I've said about the games before you'd realize I've not been uncritical of the series' coverage myself.

But once again, you've simply assumed things about my motives and my personal opinions, because it is easier than admitting you've gone about making your point with all the delicacy of a shark with chainsaws for hands.  

And I do realize that in joining Pseudo's joyous exercise of epithetical skill, it has allowed you to instead play the injured martyr, as if you are any kind of saint when it comes to your comport on this board.

But I'm willing to take that as a loss, if only because it's so entertaining watching you perpetually jam your head up your own ass.

Quote from: Spike;452658Interesting observation but irrelevant.  People can play narrative and thematic space elves as easily as they can play narrative and thematic superhuman warrior monks with two hearts and big fucking guns.

Yeah, but FFG's not gonna give you a gigantic sandbox/toolkit/simulation style game where they detail every type of character you could possibly have.  That's not what they do.

You'll get rules for playing narrative and thematic space elves when they come up with a Rogue Trader adventure that includes one as an NPC and then when the axe doesn't come down, they'll include a section in a RT supplement to toss them in.

Whee!

If your problem is that you don't know anything about 40K, then you should operate the Googlenets, bro.

Protip: The first page of a search for almost any term used in 40K will take you to "Lexicanum", the exhaustive 40K wiki that has material from all five editions of the game compiled together for free.

Bonus Protip: Chaos Space Marines are statted up in the back of DW. Eldar are statted up at various points in the line, including in Creatures Anathema. Your complaints are just growing more ridiculous as they go on.

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Quote from: Blackhand;452741I'm gonna humor you just this once.

I've tried in the past to explain this to you.  You seem to have the idea, so lets go over these points.

'in the past'?
in your head more like.
Do you think you make your point by patronising and insulting me then? Are you one of these fuckwits that thinks 'if i just insult this guy all the time, people will agree with me that he's wrong'?

QuoteNo, that's exactly the point. There really isn't a lot of definitive information on all these and GW wants it that way.

It's exactly NOT the point, as i have said multiple times. You can choose to believe otherwise, that's your problem. I would advise you not make the mistake that others have o fputting words in my mouth.

You don't know what GW wants or doesn't want. You can't make that comment. The fact is that there is information on all these things: the codexes for the wargame provide at least a solid basis to work with. This is a licensed game and as such it's setting is already established.

FFG chose to proviude the most spartan details for enemies any GM could hope to work with. Why?

QuoteThese are your options.  You don't want to do either one.  Play another game.

Oh do grow up.

I'm well aware of what the reality is. Doesn't stop me from questioning their judgement which is exactly what I've done. It's called criticism.

QuoteGW has the last word on all that, man.  They control their IP hard, and how it's presented.  Ask anyone, they'll tell you they work no other way.  

How is this relevant? Obviously GW protect their ip, 'man'. What is your point?

QuoteNow all these things have been repeatedly stated by the honored members of this forum, and I have stated them once more.

You've stated nothing. YOu've jsut been an abusive dickhead. Too much noise. Just repeating yourself doesn't decrease the noise coming from your abusive crap. Im well aware what my options are; dpesn't make the criticism any less valid or the discussion any less valid. If you don't agree then fine, take it elsehwere. If you want to be abusive, then fuck off. I don't need to read unwarranted shit like that.

Quote from: J Arcane;452742This thread was a troll from the beginning. I've done no more to lower the tone of it's intent than was originally meant by its very title.  

blah blah blah, what a tired excuse for trolling that is. Go away you tireed little troll. The fuck kind of excuse is 'well i knew you were trolling, so it's ok for me to behave in exactly the same way, ho ho ho!'

Twat.

Quote from: J Arcane;452742And I do realize that in joining Pseudo's joyous exercise of epithetical skill, it has allowed you to instead play the injured martyr, as if you are any kind of saint when it comes to your comport on this board.

I sing the fuckwad electric.

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Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;452744Whee!

If your problem is that you don't know anything about 40K, then you should operate the Googlenets, bro.

That isn't what I said, as you well know (though obviously not, as your comments deonstrate you base your abusive rubbish on jumping from one extreme of the argument to the other). I didn't say i knew nothing; I said that I didn't know the full detail. I don't know all the ins and outs of Eldar culture: all the dfiferent aspects and what have you.

And again you miss the fucking point.

QuoteProtip: The first page of a search for almost any term used in 40K will take you to "Lexicanum", the exhaustive 40K wiki that has material from all five editions of the game compiled together for free.

'Protip': people that say 'protip...' are usually pretentious idiots.

I'm well aware there are websites devoted to printing all this information, I'm also well aware that FFG should be doing this and not expecting their players to have to do it, which is the fucking point you keep missing. I want to be desiging adventures and using the pritned book to help me. Not having to fish out information across the internet and making stuff up to fill in the blanks left by FFG. Nor does it make sense, AGAIN, to expect people to spend full price on books for a fraction of their content.

Maybe you'll next actually ANSWER these points, not ignore them to continue ranting about how lazy people are if they, as roleplayers, don't want to DIY.

QuoteBonus Protip: Chaos Space Marines are statted up in the back of DW. Eldar are statted up at various points in the line, including in Creatures Anathema. Your complaints are just growing more ridiculous as they go on.

Creatures Anathema, as I JUST SAID, is £30 and is intended for DH, as such the few pages of info that might be useful doesn't justify the expense.

Eldar are in CA and in one of the RT adventure books (possibly the GM kit). What's ridiculous is having to buy a RT adventure book for DW - for the same reason (only even more so). That's a perfectly fucking reasonable complaint just as 'make more money' is insulting and clumsy.

And i'm well aware what's in the DW antagonist section; i've mentioned it myself several times. But what's covered is the most sparse amount of info. Chaos Space Marines are covered in as much as you get one generic 'chaos space marine' entry. That's it.

Quote from: CRKrueger;452743Yeah, but FFG's not gonna give you a gigantic sandbox/toolkit/simulation style game where they detail every type of character you could possibly have.  That's not what they do.

And it's not what was requested. No one has asked FFG to detail EVERY SINGLE THING in the 40k universe. No one. Not here. Not ever. This kind of hyperbole is just pointless.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452746'in the past'?
in your head more like.
*snip*
You've stated nothing. YOu've jsut been an abusive dickhead. Too much noise. Just repeating yourself doesn't decrease the noise coming from your abusive crap. Im well aware what my options are; dpesn't make the criticism any less valid or the discussion any less valid. If you don't agree then fine, take it elsehwere. If you want to be abusive, then fuck off. I don't need to read unwarranted shit like that.

All right, for a second I actually felt bad for how you were getting hammered.  Now you can fuck your mother.

In the past, as in other threads, you brainless reject.  I'm sure someone remembers, even if you don't.  I don't really give a fuck.

Yeah, I'm repeating myself.  I'll stop, because it's quite obvious how fucking hopelessly lost you are.

I still find it bizarre that you insist on buying DW-only branded material, despite all three games being compatible with one another and using the same mechanics for everything except psychic powers (which remain compatible) to the point that they're all treated as the same game by the player community.

Nor are the power scales so massively different that creatures from one game can't be used in another, especially with the existence of horde rules and the existence of equipment lists. You are quite literally ignorant of what you are talking about when you talk about "balance" and "optimisation" and all that in reference to the antagonists. DH and RT have plenty of antagonists that serve perfectly well in DW.

Also, the constant nonsense about "only a small part of the material" being relevant is getting tiresome, since as I've said several times now, it's untrue.

Here, here's a real example from someone who plays all three games (your humble interlocutor) about using material from one book in another:

In my current Deathwatch game, the PCs are a critical component of Operation Nidhoggr, an attempt to capture Valentine Illst, an arch-heretic of unknown origin.

Illst has been built as a DH Ascension-level character (with a few twists). The first step in capturing him is hunting down his old associate Titus Hyle, a Chaos sorcerer dedicated to Nurgle who is built as an Ascension-level character with spells from Disciples of the Dark Gods andRadical's Handbook, and a few traits from the DW corebook.

Titus Hyle's forces include some daemonhosts (DH corebook), some hordes of corrupted Imperial Guardsmen (DW corebook), a shipment of Chimeras (Rites of Battle), Twist Hulk bodyguards (Creatures Anathema), some CSMs (DW corebook), and some commanders / high level cultists armed with archaeotech / xeno weaponry Illst has given him (Imperial Guard Field Officers from the DW corebook with Xenarch Death Arcs from DH's Radical Handbook). Hyle had a Warhound Titan as well (Rites of Battle), but it was blown up last session.

The single greatest threat the PCs have faced so far was not the Titan, but Hayne Oberstunn, one of the DW Field Officers, and his Xenarch Death Arc, which dealt 42 damage in a single round to the Ultramarine Tactical Marine (who had to burn a fate point to avoid being vaporised). The two most useful books, beyond the DW corebook, for my campaign have been Ascension for Dark Heresy, and Disciples of the Dark Gods, for the sorcery, cult ideas and stats for daemons, all of whom will feature in further installments of the campaign.

So basically, cross-compatibility between lines is very high, and claims that you'll only use a "small portion" or whatever of each book is basically dependent on you, not the books.