Quote from: Melan;524265Backstory- and canon-heavy CRPGs, which means most of them nowadays. Major games often come with enormous setting bibles which the story-centric folks enjoy so much, and that doesn't even count fanon. The semi-interactive nature of CRPGs is a better vehicle for the story people than many tabletop games anyway - there is nobody to fuck up the carefully build narrative arcs. At the crucial junctures, you may choose between three or four outcomes, but narrative control is actually taken care of behind the scenes. I find that a lot of people who were into roleplaying for the WW stuff love that. That's why they are no longer gaming.

And no fatbeards to mess up that vision of the hot, gothic vampire chick.

Quote from: 1989;524255I am dissatisfied with both Pathfinder and 4e. I want a gridless D&D again. That's all it will really take to get me back. Oh, and no dungeonpunk/cartoony stuff.

It looks like what you want is easily available with a lot of support and many options.

Quote from: two_fishes;524277It looks like what you want is easily available with a lot of support and many options.

None of these games have Dungeons and Dragons emblazoned on the cover.

Quote from: 1989;524271And no fatbeards to mess up that vision of the hot, gothic vampire chick.

As I said...

Quote from: Aos;524261Those have largely been replaced by easily available and cheap personal lubricant.

Quote from: Aos;524281None of these games have Dungeons and Dragons emblazoned on the cover.

Oh, right. Whoops.

Yeah. It's a terrible thing when people are actually interested in being your customer. These people already have their own games! WotC totally ought to ignore them! Go away, potential customers! We don't want you guys!

Except it completely contradicts everything ever learned about marketing and competition between companies on any market ever.

Besides, these people who "already have their games"? I bet you the majority of them own and play several of those games already. Not just one. They have B/X and 1e and 2e. They have Labyrinth Lord and OSRIC and S&W in their game libraries. Why is that, do you think?

No. It's not because these people are "morons". It's because they have access to different ways to do things and can select each time one game to run a precise game, or build their own custom versions using the ones they already have. From there, I don't see it as surprising, or a bad thing really, that these people would be potentially interested in D&D Next to add to their gaming libraries. Of course, if it's just too far out there, it might as well be a completely different RPG, and these people's interest might be lessened considerably, akin to whether they ought to buy random RPG 123232 published last month instead. "Do I really need GURPS? I don't think so..."

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;524293Yeah. It's a terrible thing when people are actually interested in being your customer. These people already have their own games! WotC totally ought to ignore them! Go away, potential customers! We don't want you guys!

Except it completely contradicts everything ever learned about marketing and competition between companies on any market ever.

Besides, these people who "already have their games"? I bet you the majority of them own and play several of those games already. Not just one. They have B/X and 1e and 2e. They have Labyrinth Lord and OSRIC and S&W in their game libraries. Why is that, do you think?

No. It's not because these people are "morons". It's because they have access to different ways to do things and can select each time one game to run a precise game, or build their own custom versions using the ones they already have. From there, I don't see it as surprising, or a bad thing really, that these people would be potentially interested in D&D Next to add to their gaming libraries. Of course, if it's just too far out there, it might as well be a completely different RPG, and these people's interest might be lessened considerably, akin to whether they ought to bad random RPG 123232 published last month instead.

Who called anyone a "moron" (sic) but you, AM?

Quote from: Aos;524294Who called anyone a "moron" (sic) but you, AM?

The whole line of thought that "people already own the game so they might as well fuck off" that two_fishes is pulling here strikes me as total bullshit that deserves a huge middle finger from this "old person who definitely doesn't want to go away".

Nice one Benoist.

Quote from: Benoist;524296The whole line of thought that "people already own the game so they might as well fuck off" that two_fishes is pulling here strikes me as total bullshit that deserves a huge middle finger from this "old person who definitely doesn't want to go away".

Fucking with new edition cheerleaders is a time honored tradition on this site one which you have participated in extensively, to the extent that I would wager a full third of you post count could be assigned to said activity.
I really hope AM makes a return, because I can't wait to watch the two of you become nextardly brothers in arms- and I say that without any malice at all. It is going to be fucking awesome.

And whatever Two Fishes is doing, I'm pretty sure I kicked it off in another thread so I'll take that old ladies middle finger as my own. I bet she give good head. No teeth + decades of experience= awesome.

Bring back Seanchai!

Quote from: Aos;524301Bring back Seanchai!

Holy shit I think he would have a seizure with Next by now. But he'd keep his smug poker face in his posts, asking questions and denying Pathfinder ever had any success at all, or that it's only a matter of days now before Paizo enters Chapter 11.

Quote from: Aos;524300I'll take that old ladies middle finger as my own. I bet she give good head. No teeth + decades of experience= awesome.

Keep your eyes closed dude. You don't want to look down and find out what she's really doing to you that feels so warm and gooey.

Quote from: Aos;524300Fucking with new edition cheerleaders is a time honored tradition on this site one which you have participated in extensively, to the extent that I would wager a full third of you post count could be assigned to said activity.
I really hope AM makes a return, because I can't wait to watch the two of you become nextardly brothers in arms- and I say that without any malice at all. It is going to be fucking awesome.

What would be really amusing is if 5E D&D ends up being abruptly canceled several months before it was to be released, by Hasbro/WotC shutting down the D&D division and firing everybody.

Wonder what the new edition cheerleaders will suddenly say in such a scenario, if it were to happen.

:rolleyes:

Quote from: Benoist;524305Keep your eyes closed dude. You don't want to look down and find out what she's really doing to you that feels so warm and gooey.

It's cool, I've been to Europe.