Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847674I've seen soda adds mocking hipsters, so I think it is well past it being an internal thing amongst different strains of hipster. I hear complaints about hipsters on TV, radio, etc. seems fairly widespread.

I guess once mocking hipsters became widespread via the internet, everyone sort of jumped on bandwagon. People like mocking minorities and hipsters are (stereotypically) white, educated, from socially and financially secure backgrounds and most mocking depictions will target the male ones. Add that they are odd looking and supposedly arrogant and you have a perfectly safe acceptable target.

I don't know how many people actually approve of mocking hipsters specifically, but very few are actually offended by mocking them.

Quote from: Gold Roger;847681I guess once mocking hipsters became widespread via the internet, everyone sort of jumped on bandwagon. People like mocking minorities and hipsters are (stereotypically) white, educated, from socially and financially secure backgrounds and most mocking depictions will target the male ones. Add that they are odd looking and supposedly arrogant and you have a perfectly safe acceptable target.

I don't know how many people actually approve of mocking hipsters specifically, but very few are actually offended by mocking them.

I don't want to come off as someone who gets ruffled by some barbed humor. That isn't my point. I am not offended by the mocking of hipsters, anymore than mocking goths, dude bros, gamers, punks, etc. I just see it as a sign that awareness of them as a group is strangely ubiquitous. These are all things that have their ridiculous elements that are perfect fodder for comedy. It would be a boring world if we didn't make fun of these kinds of differences. Skinny jeans and lattes are funny. Competitive Air Guitar? That is begging to be made fun of. It is the hate and disdain underlying some of the hipster commentary I don't understand.

Trevor, the methhead murderhobo from GTA V is the proto-hipster!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlzZhGr8G9w

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847683I don't want to come off as someone who gets ruffled by some barbed humor. That isn't my point. I am not offended by the mocking of hipsters, anymore than mocking goths, dude bros, gamers, punks, etc. I just see it as a sign that awareness of them as a group is strangely ubiquitous. These are all things that have their ridiculous elements that are perfect fodder for comedy. It would be a boring world if we didn't make fun of these kinds of differences. Skinny jeans and lattes are funny. Competitive Air Guitar? That is begging to be made fun of. It is the hate and disdain underlying some of the hipster commentary I don't understand.

Well, I think some of what I've said has just as much bearing on that as well. In my experience, people are just as happy to find an easy target for their disdain and hate, as they are to find one for mockery.

Just taking a wild stab at further causes, I'd say it is a combination of being privileged (as noted, it is no cheap lifestyle) and being perceived as "useless" and "non-productive".

One thing I've seen hipsters heavily associated with is gentrification. Taking Berlin as an example, again, it is a hotspot of so called hipsters, meanwhile in Berlin rent and real estate has taken a massive price hike in recent years, especially in some previously poor inner city areas.

This is more of a correlation, than a causative connection.

An awful lot of more traditional young professionals, investors of all kinds and plain very rich internationals ,looking to live or at least have a residence in the place to be, have been flocking there as well. However, even though they are a small demographic and have an all in all negligible economic influence, the hipsters are highly visible (apart from the eccentric styling, it is a lifestyle that has you out being seen, visiting cafes, shops, events, etc), so people will channel their frustration at the irritating, but ultimately non threatening bohemians, rather than, say, those young families or the investor buying entire blocks of affordable housing to turn into tourist apartments and condos.

Add in the perceived hypocrisy of rejecting more traditional capitalistic lifestyles while still leading an essentially consumerist existence and a healthy dose of anti intellectualism and I feel we have classical scapegoat scenario, whether the haters issue is with rising living costs or a perception of a "lazy youth".

Quote from: Baulderstone;847553Not seeing it. As RPGs go, its actually too big to be hip. It made a bundle on Kickstarter. You used to be able to buy it at Borders. There are plenty of obscure new indie games or obscure out-of-print ones out there that can kill it on hipster cred.  It's also too old to be cool while being new to be retro. It's a lingering artifact from when Gen X was still cool.

At the risk of over explaining a joke, the Exalted fanbase (the vocal aspects of it anyway) share several elements with the hipster crowd: They're mostly "privileged" sorts with an overinflated snobbish opinion of their own tastes and what they prefer with varying degrees of sneering contempt for the "common" (a good Exalted thread can't pass with several turds tossed at D and D,), a substantial overlap with SJW/Slacktivist crowd and a willingness even eagerness to pour money into their "superior" choices. The Exalted kick starter was massively successful in large part because of peoole making 3 even 4 digit donations.

For an rpg.

An rpg thats not that different from any other. Not even for the rpg for a fancy version of the rpg and extras.

More money than sense has been an attribute "hipsters" have demonstrated, IME.

Like Hipsters paying out the nose for obscure microbrews and gourmet coffee that pretty tastes the same as the common alternative but lets them feel superior. Even to the extent their "small trendy thing" become  successful and popular. Though I can't Exalted fanbase abandoning it if it become "too popular" but...

And for all the discussion and flow about online, most gamers I've met IRL and many online have not heard of it or only vague notion of what it is. Hell, there were post as recent as last year on rpg.net asking what it was all about. Its a spiritual relative of White Wolf's WoD games which thrived on the being "hip alternative" even when they were wildly popular. One of the most frequent barbs I've seen tossed at that Exalted is D and D for people that think they're too good for D and D.

But this is one, a quip and two opinion. YMMV, IMHO, etc etc.

Quote from: Nexus;847777But this is one, a quip and two opinion. YMMV, IMHO, etc etc.

Fair enough. I'm not about to get into an argument about Exalted.

I don't get the hate on lattes. It's steamed milk in espresso.

As for Exalted, please don't let the RPGnet dumbasses ruin a fun and interesting RPG for you.

Here's a PDF of the free Intro Starter book.
http://kschnee.xepher.net/rpg/exalted/Exalted%20Starter%20Kit.pdf

The Quickstart has enough goodies for me to have run two mini-campaigns and at least a dozen one-shot events.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847651smugly enjoying a microbrew I'll never have the taste buds to appreciate

So wait, are hipsters the guys that turned IPA from "pale ale with a heavy malt body and some extra hops" into "so many alpha acid units that it tastes like the aftertaste of puke"?

Because seriously, fuck those guys.

Hippies, Hip Hop, hipsters, too many hops...I don't understand what all this hippity hop is about but I know that whatever it is, I'm agin it. And that darn Elvis and his swayin' hips started it.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;847815So wait, are hipsters the guys that turned IPA from "pale ale with a heavy malt body and some extra hops" into "so many alpha acid units that it tastes like the aftertaste of puke"?

Because seriously, fuck those guys.

I don't know. I was never a big IPA drinker.

Quote from: Baulderstone;847672Pretty much. I'm sure to objective outsiders, there is no discernible difference in ridiculousness between hipsters arguing over their favorite bands and gamers arguing over their favorite edition of an RPG.

DnD fans argue about the edition of the game they like, and continue to do so for a long period of time because they like the game they are arguing about.

Hipsters argue about their "favorite" bands to one up each other on how in the know they are about bands, but drop any band as soon as they become popular. It's like the opposite of expressing excitement about popular songs, their hipsterism is based on showing off enjoyment of obscurity, not actually enjoying anything.

Yeah, it expanded from music to shitty beer and other attempts to know about things other people aren't aware of, because being hip and knowing stuff others don't is their entire identity.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847651What confuses me about the hipster thing is I woke up one day and it was clear everyone in the world had agreed hipsters were to be hated. It took me a while to get what a hipster was. I don't really get the hate. I can certainly see the silliness of some of it.

Yeah, same here. Maybe because I don't see many of them around:).
Anyhow, I'm now wondering whether D&D would be Hipster if you get 100 XP per new type of microbrew you taste;).

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847651What confuses me about the hipster thing is I woke up one day and it was clear everyone in the world had agreed hipsters were to be hated.

Quotejust a typical young person.

This covers it rather well. They're young enough to think their opinions matter while not having a clue what they're talking about. They can be annoying, but typically they're just kids, with all the problems that entails.

It's the folks like this in their 30s that bug me. At that point it's accomplish something or shut the hell up. Which is the line of thought that moved me from RPG.net to here, figure I'll listen to the comments of people who actually make and play games than the ones who simply like to hear their own voice.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847651What confuses me about the hipster thing is I woke up one day and it was clear everyone in the world had agreed hipsters were to be hated. It took me a while to get what a hipster was. I don't really get the hate. I can certainly see the silliness of some of it. The one true hipster I worked with infuriated me with his competitive air guitar at times, but otherwise he was just a typical young person. I don't know, the idea that someone, somewhere is smugly enjoying a microbrew I'll never have the taste buds to appreciate isn't worth getting upset over. In the grand scheme, it's pretty harmless.

I admit I enjoy poking fun at them I don't hate hipsters and I enjoy poking fun at geeks too so I don't feel like too much of a hypocrite.

Hipsters do their thing and like any subculture there are allot of decent folks that fall under the label or close to it and some assholes. but unfortunately its usually the assholes that are most memorable.

Quote from: Nexus;847858I admit I enjoy poking fun at them I don't hate hipsters and I enjoy poking fun at geeks too so I don't feel like too much of a hypocrite.

Hipsters do their thing and like any subculture there allot of decent folks that fall under the label or close to it and some assholes. but unfortunately its usually the assholes that are most memorable.

Poking fun I get. That doesn't bother me at all. I am just baffled by some of the more intense rage I have seen directed toward hipsters.