Quote from: Zak S;847267Try again.

Working now.

Quote from: hexgrid;847251The OSR is the most hipster branch of D&D.

I posted that before it was a thing.

There is no way to contextualize this without quoting from your blog, so let's start there:

Quote from: Zak SD&D gives you not only a reason to make real actual stuff, but a reason other people should care. At conventions you can see LED-lit mazes that make the Jackson Hobbit SFX team look like hacks, but the heart of the game is palace towers made from coffee cans and pig men painted with nail polish and crossing "winter wolf" off the wandering monster chart and writing in "warsnail." The nearest equivalent is the culture around the post-50s decadent-psychotic era of homemaking magazines when Woman's Day would show you how to make, like, shirred herring salad in the shape of an igloo on the rim of a lake of blue Jell-O. And for good reason: these distant scenes are both, at heart, about the ephemeral art of throwing parties. The eight-layer raisin-pineapple compote carousel and the foamcore Skull Fortress of the Hate Toad will both be gutted in 40 minutes, but right now it's fun and right now it's weird and that's a party. And when it's dead you spend a week planning the next one.

Thanks Zak for reminding me about those decadent-psychotic era homemaking mags. I have been doing D&D through decadent cooking fantasia with Game of Thrones grittiness (it started so lighthearted...). I had battlefields with trebuchets flinging flaming meringue and lady-in-waiting massive conical hats veiled with edible sugar sculpture. But why re-invent the wheel? Now I have old cookbooks and magazines to sift through!
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Exalted is hipster D and D.

Quote from: Haffrung;847204The thing about hipsters isn't their taste in clothes, grooming, coffee, beer, or music. Craft beers, vinyl, and roots music are all things I personally enjoy as well. It's the fact that they passionately champion authenticity and originality, and yet by an astonishing coincidence, they've authentically and originally ended up dressing and behaving remarkably similar to hundreds of thousands of other people of their socio-economic cohort.

I don't think there's anything coincidental about it. There are only so many ways one can emulate Andy Warhol. The fact there exist people who seem to believe this is a worthy endeavor is the reason I hate them.

Quote from: The Ent;847220(ironically, what with the widespread and sometimes virulent classism against the Working Class there)

In my experience most hipsters, at least in my neck o' the woods, invariably seem to come from fairly affluent backgrounds, and the closest they ever get to having anything to do with the working class is invading shitty little dive bars en masse, drinking cheap, shitty beer and pretending it isn't cheap, shitty beer while dressed in flannel and rags because that's what Andy Warhol said poor people dress like. Their attitude toward people who are actually working class could probably be said to be more condescending than contemptuous (as is the case with Purple), but they're generally just as far removed from honestly engaging with blue collar folk as the ivory tower progressives.

Quote from: Aos;847225We have an entirely different thing going in my part of Colorado.
4 wheel drive vehicle (crucial element)
Dog
Own lots of gear (outdoor/camping stuff)
Encyclopedic knowledge of micro brew beer and/or locally grown weed.
Dress like hobo/escaped convict regardles of politics
Music is tastes vary widely here.

I am dogsitting otherwise I wouldn't fit the criterea, and I actually need a 4wd vehicle and outdoor gear for work sometimes, which is kind of cheating. Fwiw, we get a lot of hiking masters, been everywhere, walked every trail, at work, who fall apart within a day of going off trail- which is all we do.

One of the nice things about living in SLC is we get to watch the hipsters rub shoulders with the trail nuts. Some of 'em even blend the two to make things really entertaining.

I could never stand trail hiking myself. Defeats the whole bloody point of heading off into the mountains in the first place.

Quote from: Haffrung;847108I thought I had a passing familiarity with hipsters, living in a largish Canadian city. I'd seen them around. Had a sense of some of their habits and attitudes. Even had friends who were sort of proto-hipsters.

Then I went to the Chicago. The trendy, hipster part of Chicago. And I was surrounded by thousands of them. And far, far more hipster than the people in the video. These were pure strain hipsters in their core habitat. You couldn't swing a stick without knocking four bearded, neck-tatooed, and spectacled dudes off their fixed-gear bikes and into organic pizzerias that had 15 brands of pale ale on tap. The stereotypes were surpassed beyond all belief.

I was in the UK recently for the first time in a couple of years and yes this.
It was like every block under 35 had a beard a short back and sides with a brill creamed quiff, a checked shirt, tats, glasses, etc etc ... twas quite surreal.

Quote from: woodsmoke;847320I don't think there's anything coincidental about it. There are only so many ways one can emulate Andy Warhol. The fact there exist people who seem to believe this is a worthy endeavor is the reason I hate them.



In my experience most hipsters, at least in my neck o' the woods, invariably seem to come from fairly affluent backgrounds, and the closest they ever get to having anything to do with the working class is invading shitty little dive bars en masse, drinking cheap, shitty beer and pretending it isn't cheap, shitty beer while dressed in flannel and rags because that's what Andy Warhol said poor people dress like. Their attitude toward people who are actually working class could probably be said to be more condescending than contemptuous (as is the case with Purple), but they're generally just as far removed from honestly engaging with blue collar folk as the ivory tower progressives.



One of the nice things about living in SLC is we get to watch the hipsters rub shoulders with the trail nuts. Some of 'em even blend the two to make things really entertaining.

I could never stand trail hiking myself. Defeats the whole bloody point of heading off into the mountains in the first place.

I have done a lot of work in the Unitah Basin, I kinda love Utah.

Have we had this yet?

The mandatory "rise of the idiots" clip from Nathan Barley:

https://youtu.be/lhAr_UeroCk

From 2005. Prescient.

Quote from: Haffrung;847204The thing about hipsters isn't their taste in clothes, grooming, coffee, beer, or music. Craft beers, vinyl, and roots music are all things I personally enjoy as well. It's the fact that they passionately champion authenticity and originality, and yet by an astonishing coincidence, they've authentically and originally ended up dressing and behaving remarkably similar to hundreds of thousands of other people of their socio-economic cohort.

Anyway, I hope the makers of the video do more. I'd love to see those characters argue over what their favourite RPGs is. The true hipster would champion Traveller or Empire of the Petal Throne. Maybe Metamorphosis Alpha. Something old, neglected, and 'authentic'. Or they'd go full ironic and play Dragonlance era D&D.

There was something original in Traveller?

I thought Hipster D&D was called Exalted...

Quote from: Christopher Brady;847528I thought Hipster D&D was called Exalted...

Posting that quip was cool yesterday, when Nexus did it.

Quote from: The Ent;847529Posting that quip was cool yesterday, when Nexus did it.

Musta missed that.  Sorry.

Quote from: The Ent;847220I don't see TBP as very Hipster-y at all. Maybe it was a decade or so ago (actually I guess it kinda was, really, a decade or so ago. Allthough in a geeky way) these days it's really quite lowbrow* (ironically, what with the widespread and sometimes virulent classism against the Working Class there) and that doesn't mix well with hipsterism, and a frequent lack of irony wich really doesn't mix well with hipsterism. Hipsterism and slacktivism can mix - see: Britta in Community - but not in this case IMO.

Same here. I moved from Chicago a few years ago, and new a number of full-blown hipsters. They would have zero time for the in-crowd at RPG.net. Hipsters are more honest about their exclusivity for one thing. They just openly look down their nose at people who aren't cool. RPG.net seems to be about being being inclusive in the narrowest way possible.

Quote from: hexgrid;847251The OSR is the most hipster branch of D&D.

Some elements of it, definitely.

Quote from: Nexus;847302Exalted is hipster D and D.

Not seeing it. As RPGs go, its actually too big to be hip. It made a bundle on Kickstarter. You used to be able to buy it at Borders. There are plenty of obscure new indie games or obscure out-of-print ones out there that can kill it on hipster cred.  It's also too old to be cool while being new to be retro. It's a lingering artifact from when Gen X was still cool.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;847531Musta missed that.  Sorry.

You're appropriating on my work as a minority creative. Check your privilege!

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847256The devil does have a pretty well groomed goatee.....

Ha!

More seriously, hipster seems to be one of those terms that been applied to so many different things that its hard to tell exactly what someone means when they use it now. Even in the video the gamers were a combination of things.