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Hipster (or TBP) D&D

Started by dungeon crawler, August 06, 2015, 12:06:35 PM

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S'mon

#105
August 24, 2015, 07:37:40 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;847204The true hipster would champion Traveller or Empire of the Petal Throne. Maybe Metamorphosis Alpha. Something old, neglected, and 'authentic'. Or they'd go full ironic and play Dragonlance era D&D.

IME the most hipster-attractant RPG is probably Lamentations of the Flame Princess, though I'm in an occasional 5e game in Camden with a couple somewhat hipstery fellows, they have the groomed facial hair.

BTW I don't think the RPGnet lot are hipstery at all, quite the reverse. SJWs and hipsters really don't mix, SJWs tend to strongly dislike hipsters' ironic detachment. From what I can tell, hipsters are quite likely to - ironically - vote Conservative!
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TristramEvans

#106
August 24, 2015, 07:38:20 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;850961Before it once again fell into fashion, then.

I don't think that actually ever happened. At least not in North America.

Maybe you just....moved to Uruguay?

S'mon

#107
August 24, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: The Ent;847220I'm kinda-sorta Hipster-y in some ways. Some friends and co-workers think so anyways. Not a compliment allthough said friends/co-workers Are also Hipster-y in some ways. :idunno:

Not style vise though unless Hawaii shirts and sideburns become Hipster-y. :D

Why does the thread title go, "Hipster/TBP"? :confused:

I don't see TBP as very Hipster-y at all. Maybe it was a decade or so ago (actually I guess it kinda was, really, a decade or so ago. Allthough in a geeky way) these days it's really quite lowbrow* (ironically, what with the widespread and sometimes virulent classism against the Working Class there) and that doesn't mix well with hipsterism, and a frequent lack of irony wich really doesn't mix well with hipsterism. Hipsterism and slacktivism can mix - see: Britta in Community - but not in this case IMO.

*=note the popularity of metal, especially Viking Metal, Manowar style metal, symphonic stuff with fantasy lyrics, Sabaton, etc.

(For the record I'm kinda lowbrow behaviour vise but everyone knows it's just a thing I do so I'm still Hipster-y :D)

Main common point between hipsters and TBP is that Pundit hates both. :pundit:

Sure lots of Tangencites sport murderhobo beards but beards Are basically mainstream now, real hipsters wearing moustaches. Hm, that makes Pundit Hipster-y :rotfl:

I'd say the OSR is roleplayerdom's most Hipster-y thing (yes, moreso than indie storygames :p)

Agree on all points - OSR definitely attracts the hipsters; RPGnet, its politics and its darlings are about as un-hipstery as you can get.
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Necrozius

#108
August 25, 2015, 05:46:38 AM
I guess that another valid question would be: "is 4th edition a hipster game?" 'Cause just about every thread on TBP about D&D eventually becomes about how 4th is the best for everything.

S'mon

#109
August 25, 2015, 09:37:46 AM
Quote from: Necrozius;851063I guess that another valid question would be: "is 4th edition a hipster game?" 'Cause just about every thread on TBP about D&D eventually becomes about how 4th is the best for everything.

I'd say definitely not. Hipsters tend to go for Eurogames, IME they also play Munchkin. They like OSR which is rules-light and well suited to a mood of ironic detachment, they don't like mechanically complex stuff like 3e/PF or 4e, and incidentally they don't seem to like Indie Hippy Forgey Storygames either.
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Armchair Gamer

#110
August 25, 2015, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: S'mon;851084I'd say definitely not. Hipsters tend to go for Eurogames, IME they also play Munchkin. They like OSR which is rules-light and well suited to a mood of ironic detachment, they don't like mechanically complex stuff like 3e/PF or 4e, and incidentally they don't seem to like Indie Hippy Forgey Storygames either.

Given Gronan's tales of the original D&D games, ironic detachment seems like a natural fit for the OSR. :) 2E and 4E are too straightforwardly heroic.

  (There may be some overlap between 4E fans and SJWs, but that's a group even less identifiable with games and play styles.)

S'mon

#111
August 25, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;851086Given Gronan's tales of the original D&D games, ironic detachment seems like a natural fit for the OSR. :) 2E and 4E are too straightforwardly heroic.

  (There may be some overlap between 4E fans and SJWs, but that's a group even less identifiable with games and play styles.)

Agree - grognards & hipsters have this like of ironic detachment in common. This results in some hipstery grognard types like noisms (Monsters & Manuals) who arguably fit both categories. :D

None of my 4e group are SJWs, but yes there is some overlap, most obviously on rpgnet. I guess 4e & SJWs both Take Everything Very Seriously.
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Gronan of Simmerya

#112
August 25, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;851086Given Gronan's tales of the original D&D games, ironic detachment seems like a natural fit for the OSR. :) 2E and 4E are too straightforwardly heroic.

Incorrect.  Irony was never part of original D&D.  Detachment was detachment in the same sense as in a wargame; they are units, you will lose some.

Silly, yes.  Ironic, no.
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#113
August 25, 2015, 09:23:27 PM
That was entertaining. I wasn't loling but the part about going to Starbucks to heal was pretty good.
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Armchair Gamer

#114
August 25, 2015, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;851189Incorrect.  Irony was never part of original D&D.  Detachment was detachment in the same sense as in a wargame; they are units, you will lose some.

Silly, yes.  Ironic, no.

Fair enough. If I had some clear idea of what contemporary irony is, I might be able to better tell the difference. :)

Bren

#115
August 26, 2015, 12:39:47 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;851193Fair enough. If I had some clear idea of what contemporary irony is, I might be able to better tell the difference. :)
I feel your pain. Nowadays, what passes for irony just seems like ennui to me.
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Christopher Brady

#116
August 26, 2015, 02:46:47 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;851193Fair enough. If I had some clear idea of what contemporary irony is, I might be able to better tell the difference. :)

Now that's ironic.
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Bedrockbrendan

#117
August 26, 2015, 06:08:42 AM
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;851189Incorrect.  Irony was never part of original D&D.  Detachment was detachment in the same sense as in a wargame; they are units, you will lose some.

Silly, yes.  Ironic, no.

Yeah, I think the whole doing something with ironic detachment thing is about playing something or watching something not because you enjoy it but almost as a kind of commentary. It is like people who watch Rocky IV even though they hate the Rocky series, or folks who listen to 80s music because they think it is so ridiculous and terrible. They dislike these things and that seems to be the source of the amusement. That is very different from playing a game and not getting pissed that you died five times. You might be fully invested in the experience, but you have enough detachment from your character that you are are unaffected by TPKs and similar outcomes.

Shipyard Locked

#118
August 26, 2015, 10:04:35 AM
Quote from: ChrisGunter;851192That was entertaining. I wasn't loling but the part about going to Starbucks to heal was pretty good.

Welcome to the site. Watch out, it is not a 'safe space'. ;)

Nexus

#119
August 26, 2015, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;851224Now that's ironic.

A little too ironic... don't you think?

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