But seriously this is awesome news :

QuoteAnnouncing Champions Complete
July 23, 2012
The ultimate super roleplaying game returns to reclaim its crown in *Champions Complete!* All the legendary flexibility and power of the renowned *HERO System* rules engine, plus all the superhero goodness *Champions* has been famous for over 30 years, now in one pulse-pounding, senses-shattering, heroic handbook of superpowered action!
At 240 pages, *Champions Complete* includes everything superhero gamers need, and nothing they don't. New players will love the unmatched freedom of *Champions* that allows them to create and play exactly the hero they imagine. Longtime fans will appreciate the tight, concise new approach, presenting the full game system in a fraction of its former length.
HERO System 6th Edition
978-1-58366-145-1
HERO2000
Author: Derek Hiemforth
Cover: Sam R. Kennedy
Layout: Ruben Smith Zempel
PDF: $20.00
Print: $40.00
Print+PDF: $40.00
240pp B&W interior with color softcover.
PDF will be made available with every retail purchase
via Bits and Mortar
Look for Champions Complete in Fall of 2012!

http://www.herogames.com/home.htm

Back to the BBB.

Now if only SJgames would follow suit I'd be a happy man.

I was a HUGE HERO System fan once, but 6th edition killed it for me and I certainly have no interest in yet another cut paste 6E product from HERO Games, let alone something that is more 'cut' than 'paste'.

No sale here. Let me know if they go back to 5th edition and supporting the grid again.

It only took them 10 or so years to figure out that people want an all-in-one book. I'll probably pick this up!

240 pages? Sounds like a manageable game to me, unlike every post-4e incarnation. Color me intrigued.

I had heard that there was some movement towards simplifying mechanics and making the game more like Champions Online.  Ive been away from Champions for so long, I dont have a clue about this (I did place CO for a while though). Did that actually happen?

Quote from: The Butcher;567199240 pages? Sounds like a manageable game to me, unlike every post-4e incarnation. Color me intrigued.

There are a couple pretty big Hero fans in my weekly game, and they keep up with Hero news more than I do. Anyway, from what they've told me, apparently Hero isn't cutting any of the actual rules. Just a bunch of examples and stuff. Normally I'd be skeptical considering that at 240 pages they're cutting at least 75% of the text, but I've actually read a good amount of the first 6E book so I can believe it. Just cutting out the repeated references to "common sense, dramatic sense, etc." that crop up everywhere would be enough to significantly trim those books. It's a nice system from what I've read, but man are those guys verbose!

Quote from: Lynn;567259I had heard that there was some movement towards simplifying mechanics and making the game more like Champions Online.  Ive been away from Champions for so long, I dont have a clue about this (I did place CO for a while though). Did that actually happen?

No, definitely not. Ruleswise, 6e(and the upcoming Complete, which they claim will still contain all of the 6e rules) is still on par with 5e. Remember a large part of the 5e and 6e corebooks is advice and examples. Click here for a thread over at the Hero Games forums that has a character conversion thing that goes over the various changes.

40$ for such a cheap SC hardcopy in B/W?
Color me uninterested.

$40 does seem a bit much for 240pg B&W softcover.  It's not in the realm of insanity however.

Quote from: CRKrueger;567275$40 does seem a bit much for 240pg B&W softcover.  It's not in the realm of insanity however.

AD&D 1st Edition Reprint is $45, and that matches pretty well with the original price from the late 70s, factoring for inflation.  I don't think $40 is out of line for 240pgs.

$40 for both print and PDF via Bits & Mortar has me intrested.

Quote from: StormBringer;567362AD&D 1st Edition Reprint is $45, and that matches pretty well with the original price from the late 70s, factoring for inflation.  I don't think $40 is out of line for 240pgs.

The AD&D reprints are hardcover.  And $10 in 1979 is the equivalent of $29.64 in 2010 dollars.

So $40 for a softcover is pretty steep.

You can get the HERO Combat and Adventuring book, in hardcover, 80 more pages or so, and in color for $40 on Amazon now (until they run out of copies at least).

At Lulu and, my own Age of Heroes costs about $25 (my price) in hardcover with B&W interior, and it clocks in at around 50 more pages.

Given that this new book is basically a bunch of information contained in books they've released previously, I can't imagine how they justify $40.

Quote from: StormBringer;567362AD&D 1st Edition Reprint is $45, and that matches pretty well with the original price from the late 70s, factoring for inflation.  I don't think $40 is out of line for 240pgs.

1e reprints are ridiculously well-bound hardcover foil and color picture inlaid faux-leather, with gilt paper edges and a bookmark ribbon.

Not exactly a softcover.

Compare with the $50-some for softcover b&w RQ6 clocking in at 400+ (plus pdf).

Hero's about 10 bucks too high, they need to drop the price or toss in a pdf.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;567374The AD&D reprints are hardcover.  And $10 in 1979 is the equivalent of $29.64 in 2010 dollars.

So $40 for a softcover is pretty steep.

Quote from: CRKrueger;5673811e reprints are ridiculously well-bound hardcover foil and color picture  inlaid faux-leather, with gilt paper edges and a bookmark ribbon.

Not exactly a softcover.

Compare with the $50-some for softcover b&w RQ6 clocking in at 400+ (plus pdf).

Hero's about 10 bucks too high, they need to drop the price or toss in a pdf.

Ah, I thought they would put out a hardcover like the 5th edition.  Yeah, $40 is a bit high for softcover, unless it is as big as RQ6 there.  The AD&D reprints are almost exactly in line with the originals, but I don't recall anyone doing big rulebooks in softcover before Palladium, nor how much their book cost back then.

Do you think just maybe WotC are working with bigger volume discounts than Hero Games?