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Wizards of the Coast Print Quality

Started by Cave Bear, May 28, 2018, 03:22:32 AM

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Opaopajr

#30
June 02, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1041707Strange, that wasn't my experience. I was about to ask whether the later print runs were significantly worse in quality. It seems to me that the quality of my first print run 5e books is decent.

At my FLGS with my friends, the PHB first print run was notorious with a majority of 10 books (something like 7 copies) had pages falling out from weak glue. Thankfully WotC had a return program, but yeah, you never really know when your pool of anecdotes wins the booby prize. :)
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#31
June 02, 2018, 08:42:46 PM
I think the issues with the first run of the 5E PHB was something related to particular batches.  Plenty of people got books with no issues whatsoever, but if you knew someone personally that had a problem, and got yours from the same source, chances are high you'd have a similar issue eventually.

thedungeondelver

#32
June 02, 2018, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: Franky;1041754Was that the amount?  Yes, I see the sarcasm tag, but...

I recall that in one of his Q&A threads-- ENworld or Dragonsfoot--  Gygax mentioned spending extra to have the AD&D books 'textbook' bound.  He may have mentioned how much.  I do not recall the number, 10¢, 25¢?  My MM, PHB, DMG have held up to quite a bit of use.   My UA fell apart quickly.  TSR was in a financial pinch at that time and the UA was slapped together to generate some quick cash. (It seemed) TSR probably did not have the money to get a better quality binding.

Paizo had problems with the first print run of their Starfinder book.  I've seen several PHBs fall apart.  Book binding is apparently a forgotten art.

Gary's statement to me was "...but the Blumes wanted to save five cents per book" so it could have been.  And, yeah, the binding on Unearthed Arcana is atrocious, as it is on the later 1e reprints because of that.
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danskmacabre

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June 03, 2018, 10:40:32 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1041707Strange, that wasn't my experience. I was about to ask whether the later print runs were significantly worse in quality. It seems to me that the quality of my first print run 5e books is decent.

I have 2 copies of the PHB. (and MM and DMG)
The first one I rushed out and bought as soon as it came out.
It was falling apart withing weeks and I was pretty careful with it.

The second one I got 2nd hand (but still pretty much brand new condition) from a guy that went out and bought the 3 core books, dungeon tiles, 100s of minis and then his players dropped out and he got bored with it all and sold it ALL to me cheap.
The PHB, PHB and MM  from whatever batch that was, was fine and still is.
I note that the PHB I got from him was from the first print run too. so the later theory in this thread about some batches being bad is probably correct.

I guess the first PHB was from a "Bad batch" and the 2nd copy from a "Good batch".

Omega

#34
June 03, 2018, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Opaopajr;1041803At my FLGS with my friends, the PHB first print run was notorious with a majority of 10 books (something like 7 copies) had pages falling out from weak glue. Thankfully WotC had a return program, but yeah, you never really know when your pool of anecdotes wins the booby prize. :)

That was simmilar over on BGG too. An inordinate number of people got faulty books. but to be fair alot of the faults were the sort that would slip past a cursory glance. And a few like the binding issues that might slip past even a harder glance due to just how the pages hold together at that moment.

But still. It was weird. I expect this sort of half-assed work from White Wolf, not WOTC.

RPGPundit

#35
June 06, 2018, 06:57:57 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041788All my 5e books are first print runs are in perfect condition, and I live in the humid southeast US. So *shrug*.

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#36
June 06, 2018, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: Mike the Mage;1041059:eek: That's a disgrace. I would much rather have a few less colour plates and have b/w art if it meant proper binding tbh. Then again, a lot of modern games are image over substance.

Yes it's pretty shocking. Ther books are pretty pricey and I don't mind that, but I DO expect it to be made properly.
It reminded me of in the 80s with early editions of ADnD (particularly Unearthed Arcana) where this sort of poor print quality occurred.
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