Okay, here's the deal, imagine you're hunting monsters in current year, why on earth wouldn't you get some paintball guns/rifles and or supersoaker guns and load them with:

Garlic
Silver Nitrate Solution
Holy Water
Silver powder/paint (real silver that is)
Wolfsbane powder

Since I see no reason why smart people wouldn't do this I want to stat them to add to my weapons list so PCs can buy them.

Now, my problem is I know less about those toys than about the real guns, so what's their weight? RoF? DMG (when loaded with plain ammo)?

I'd go with at least double damage against those effected. It will skew balance, but who cares? Some shit just isn't fair.

For fine details? Beats me. My only reference with super soakers was when some kid hit me with it... paintball is a fun sport.

Paintball Gun: Effective range 80-100'. Extrapolate to your system. Damage based on exposure to the substance in question, not much from the impact itself, they can sting a bit, but won't even leave bruises most of the time unless they hit skin. Can be dangerous to eyes, etc, but then again so can a screwdriver. Depends on the system. Weighs about the same as a medium SMG including the tank and loaded hopper. Hoppers hold about 200 shots.

Super Soaker: Max range of about 25', the biggest ones hold about 4L of liquid. They weigh about 1kg dry, overall will be dependent on the liquid in it (gasoline is lighter than water, for instance) but should probably be around 5kg full. Damage is again based on the exposure for your system, they do pretty much nothing by themselves. It's a water gun.

Quote from: Panzerkraken on July 14, 2022, 04:48:01 PM
Paintball Gun: Effective range 80-100'. Extrapolate to your system. Damage based on exposure to the substance in question, not much from the impact itself, they can sting a bit, but won't even leave bruises most of the time unless they hit skin. Can be dangerous to eyes, etc, but then again so can a screwdriver. Depends on the system. Weighs about the same as a medium SMG including the tank and loaded hopper. Hoppers hold about 200 shots.

Super Soaker: Max range of about 25', the biggest ones hold about 4L of liquid. They weigh about 1kg dry, overall will be dependent on the liquid in it (gasoline is lighter than water, for instance) but should probably be around 5kg full. Damage is again based on the exposure for your system, they do pretty much nothing by themselves. It's a water gun.

Thanks for all that.
medium SubMachineGun? Are you sure about the weight?

Pretty sure Beyond the Supernatural or almost certainly Rifts have these somewhere for supersoakers and squirtguns.

Specialized paintballs are not going to be possible hand made. You need specialized equipment to make them.

buuuuuuuuut...

It might be possible to drain out the 'paint' and replace with something else. A time consuming process if you want alot of balls. But long as what you are putting in the casing does not react with it. It should be doable. Holy water would cause the casing to dissolve. They are essentually a gellcap pill with a water soluable gell inside.

Effective ranges tend to be in the 80-100ft area according to various sources and at least one local group member who used to play and still has the guns. Supersoakers are about 30ft or so according to some sources. Tricked out equipment though can certainly exceed that.

Statting these out is dirt simple. Find an existing short range gun and just swap ammo.

If the system has low end/toy sling shots the ranges might be comprable to get an idea.

Quick example using d20m's rules.
Supersoaker: Take say a derringer and reskin it. 2d6 damage, range increments of 10ft. For a Paintball Gun go with one of the pistols with say a range incriment of 20ft in that system.  Wham bam done.

Quote from: Omega on July 14, 2022, 08:33:45 PM
Pretty sure Beyond the Supernatural or almost certainly Rifts have these somewhere for supersoakers and squirtguns.

Specialized paintballs are not going to be possible hand made. You need specialized equipment to make them.

buuuuuuuuut...

It might be possible to drain out the 'paint' and replace with something else. A time consuming process if you want alot of balls. But long as what you are putting in the casing does not react with it. It should be doable. Holy water would cause the casing to dissolve. They are essentually a gellcap pill with a water soluable gell inside.

Effective ranges tend to be in the 80-100ft area according to various sources and at least one local group member who used to play and still has the guns. Supersoakers are about 30ft or so according to some sources. Tricked out equipment though can certainly exceed that.

Statting these out is dirt simple. Find an existing short range gun and just swap ammo.

If the system has low end/toy sling shots the ranges might be comprable to get an idea.

Quick example using d20m's rules.
Supersoaker: Take say a derringer and reskin it. 2d6 damage, range increments of 10ft. For a Paintball Gun go with one of the pistols with say a range incriment of 20ft in that system.  Wham bam done.

It's not hand made ammo, the PCs belong to a secret monster hunting organization. So that's not an issue, but for hand made ammo replace holy water with holy oil, it's a good thing Chritianity has that (at least Catholics do).

As for the rest, I already got the stats done but thanks, that's a good idea except that paintballs can't kill you. Which is why the organization manufactures special ammo for their operatives.

As soon as I finish formatting I'll share the PDF.

Have you considered Nerf guns with their  foam projectiles soaked in Holy Water or Silver Nitrate? They may not deliver a lot of payload, but several model have a similar high cyclic rate of fire as paintball guns and the Nerf bullets tend to fly straighter.

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 14, 2022, 08:59:29 PM
Have you considered Nerf guns with their  foam projectiles soaked in Holy Water or Silver Nitrate? They may not deliver a lot of payload, but several model have a similar high cyclic rate of fire as paintball guns and the Nerf bullets tend to fly straighter.

No I hadn't... Need to think about it, it might be a doable option for a campaign where the PCs don't belong to an organization with the capacity to manufacture specialized ammo.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 14, 2022, 08:54:32 PM

As for the rest, I already got the stats done but thanks, that's a good idea except that paintballs can't kill you. Which is why the organization manufactures special ammo for their operatives.

As soon as I finish formatting I'll share the PDF.

Thats what meant for the damage. Its harmess to normal people. But harms supernaturals.

One idea we came up with for a supersoaker or squirtguns was Analgesic Water. Its laced with silver so would be argent vs anything that silver can harm.

In the old Operation Chaos novel they mention that during the war clips were loaded so that every 10th round was silver as you never knew who was a werecreature or not. Think there was mention of ye-ol holywater pistols too. I mean really, its such a perfect solution.

Quote from: Omega on July 14, 2022, 10:00:32 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 14, 2022, 08:54:32 PM

As for the rest, I already got the stats done but thanks, that's a good idea except that paintballs can't kill you. Which is why the organization manufactures special ammo for their operatives.

As soon as I finish formatting I'll share the PDF.

Thats what meant for the damage. Its harmess to normal people. But harms supernaturals.

One idea we came up with for a supersoaker or squirtguns was Analgesic Water. Its laced with silver so would be argent vs anything that silver can harm.

In the old Operation Chaos novel they mention that during the war clips were loaded so that every 10th round was silver as you never knew who was a werecreature or not. Think there was mention of ye-ol holywater pistols too. I mean really, its such a perfect solution.

Yeah, I understood it was for the damage, but the smallest gun does 1d4/1d6 depending your sources, if a vial of holy water does 1d4 then a single paintball should do less than that, I'm going with 1d2 for paintballs and normal flask 2d4 for soakers with splash damage for the bigger ones.

Added a not pepper spray cannister that's also a grenade, filled with whatever, has area effect when grenade and target must roll to see if it didn't inhaled/swallowed or then it's a crit.

There are all types of paintball guns, so RoF is highly variable.  Full-autos fire very fast.  Paintballs also have a lot more scatter than bullets for a variety of reasons.  _Maybe_ nerf darts fly straighter, but paintball guns have enormously better range.

Someone modded a nerf gun to fire functional, if short range, tazer rounds.

I agree that individual painball rounds will not do alot of damage to monsters. But you can effectively hose them with multiple rounds to get the same result as a whole vial. Or more.

Death of a thousand splats. 

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 14, 2022, 05:17:15 PM

Quote from: Panzerkraken on July 14, 2022, 04:48:01 PM
Paintball Gun: Effective range 80-100'. Extrapolate to your system. Damage based on exposure to the substance in question, not much from the impact itself, they can sting a bit, but won't even leave bruises most of the time unless they hit skin. Can be dangerous to eyes, etc, but then again so can a screwdriver. Depends on the system. Weighs about the same as a medium SMG including the tank and loaded hopper. Hoppers hold about 200 shots.

Super Soaker: Max range of about 25', the biggest ones hold about 4L of liquid. They weigh about 1kg dry, overall will be dependent on the liquid in it (gasoline is lighter than water, for instance) but should probably be around 5kg full. Damage is again based on the exposure for your system, they do pretty much nothing by themselves. It's a water gun.

Thanks for all that.
medium SubMachineGun? Are you sure about the weight?

1.5-3kg depending on the accessories.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 14, 2022, 09:13:43 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 14, 2022, 08:59:29 PM
Have you considered Nerf guns with their  foam projectiles soaked in Holy Water or Silver Nitrate? They may not deliver a lot of payload, but several model have a similar high cyclic rate of fire as paintball guns and the Nerf bullets tend to fly straighter.

No I hadn't... Need to think about it, it might be a doable option for a campaign where the PCs don't belong to an organization with the capacity to manufacture specialized ammo.

Specially made nerf darts can carry needles.  And needles can release poison.

Quote from: DocJones on July 16, 2022, 08:20:55 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 14, 2022, 09:13:43 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 14, 2022, 08:59:29 PM
Have you considered Nerf guns with their  foam projectiles soaked in Holy Water or Silver Nitrate? They may not deliver a lot of payload, but several model have a similar high cyclic rate of fire as paintball guns and the Nerf bullets tend to fly straighter.

No I hadn't... Need to think about it, it might be a doable option for a campaign where the PCs don't belong to an organization with the capacity to manufacture specialized ammo.

Specially made nerf darts can carry needles.  And needles can release poison.

IIRC Nerf guns are spring powered, Why not add rifling to a paintball gun's barrel, modify the receiver and the magazine so it can fire mini darts?

This has several advantages over the nerf gun:

Repeat fire
Changing a CO2 cannister is faster than, or at least as fast as, loading the spring
way less noise

And several advantages over the normal paintball gun:

Accuracy
Range
Delivers the substance inside the target's body.

Think I'm going to go this route, thanks, we just invented the needle gun