Quote from: CRKrueger;567614That's why when you lie you lie by implication, so that you can deny it, right?

Here's my 3 posts, show me where I am lying at.

"Weird.

I've only seen CoC played(rarely) at Cons and the only board that mentions it with any frequency is this one."




"I don't have a limited experience. Sure if I'd been playing with the same 6 guys since middle school in 76 you would have a point. I haven't though.

Hell I've seen more people actually playing Aftermath then I have ever seen playing CoC."




"Exactly. anecdote isn't data, yet you are trying to push your 'anecdote data' as being "more true" than mine.

Notice what I said originally
'Weird.

I've only seen CoC played(rarely) at Cons and the only board that mentions it with any frequency is this one.'

Notice how I didn't say no one plays it. I merely stated I've never seen people play it accept at Cons and rarely there."

Quote from: CRKrueger;567614So what exactly is your experience then, what is your selection size of players when you claim (trying not to laugh here) that you've actually seen more people playing Aftermath then CoC?

Well let's see.
My parents moved twice after I started gaming
My time in the military which had me stationed in
Ft. Knox
Ft. Carson
Ft. Irwin
West Point
Ft. Lewis
Desert Storm
That doesn't include the 34 TDYs I did for the army and air force

Since then I've lived in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Kentucky, and currently Florida.

During all of that I have either been the organizer or a volunteer organizer for rpgs at
Rivercon
Marcon
Gencon
Origins
Capcon

So yeah I think I do have just a smidgen of experience.

See what you don't get is people can have different experiences.  CoC was never high on the radar.   It was always that game people would talk about, perhaps played a couple times, typically at a con.  From what I saw at cons was a system that wasn't filled all that frequently and had the games dropped or you had the group of guys who would show up and play their annual CoC game.
Aftermath on the other hand was a system we could relate to.  Post apocalyptic was far more our(military) bread an butter than a very niche horror system.

Quote from: Sommerjon;567133I've only seen CoC played(rarely) at Cons and the only board that mentions it with any frequency is this one.

Let's test this latter hypothesis:

RPGSite search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 216
RPGNet search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 937
ENWorld search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 173
Story-Games search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 67

The hypothesis doesn't seem to be true.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;567583I bet you never even read it.

Just something else for you to moan and whine about.

I owned it, read it, and tried to run it.  And your level of posting is very rapidly deteriorating.

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Quote from: Akrasia;567228Fair enough.  I forgot about Nephelim.  Indeed, I know absolutely nothing about the game, except that it was published by Chaosium at some point.

Elfquest probably was a bit of a dud as well.

But neither of those games were the 'core' of Chaosium's RPG work.

I love Elfquest. Don't know much about Nephilim either though. I don't get the complaint about BRP being "outdated" or "bad". As far as I'm concerned it's still the best RPG system yet made. Seems to me Chaosium is trying to fix something that isn't broken, but until I can see/play it I'm going to try to avoid judging cuz as has been pointed out, mechanics-wise Chaosium has always been pretty damn solid so I'm going to trust them until they prove otherwise.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;567715Let's test this latter hypothesis:

RPGSite search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 216
RPGNet search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 937
ENWorld search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 173
Story-Games search results for "Call of Cthulhu" for the past year: 67

The hypothesis doesn't seem to be true.

Holy shit dude.  What fucking part of IAren't you not getting?
DiD I say anything anywhere at fucking all about anything but my own goddamn experience?  That answer would be no by the fucking way.

Quote from: jcfiala;567331It's hard to say about Elfquest.  It was pretty darn popular, and did go on to have a second edition and at least one or two supplements, so I think it was selling alright.

Quote from: chaosvoyager;567481It was also one of the most solid BRP games I have ever seen.

Quote from: Sigmund;567750I love Elfquest.

Damn, I regret my offhand dismissal of Elfquest now!    In fact, I 'm tempted to pick up the dusty box set that's been sitting in the 'Hairy T' (my LGS) for the past decade...

Quote from: jcfiala;567331I don't get the complaint about BRP being "outdated" or "bad". As far as I'm concerned it's still the best RPG system yet made. Seems to me Chaosium is trying to fix something that isn't broken, but until I can see/play it I'm going to try to avoid judging cuz as has been pointed out, mechanics-wise Chaosium has always been pretty damn solid so I'm going to trust them until they prove otherwise.

Not all the proposed changes may be implemented by Chaosium.  Possibly none of them will be.  So the final version of 7e quite possibly will be far less of a radical transformation that some people seem to be fearing.

(The changes actually don't strike me as all that horrible or even radical.  My main concern, as I've already stated, is that cross-edition compatibility is maintained.  I also would hope that it would be easily to ignore any rules that a group dislikes, as it is in current CoC.)

Quote from: Sommerjon;567816Holy shit dude.  What fucking part of IAren't you not getting?
DiD I say anything anywhere at fucking all about anything but my own goddamn experience?  That answer would be no by the fucking way.

Okay.  But if you realize that your own experiences and perceptions do not reflect the broader RPG scene, then why even bother expressing them in a thread concerning a RPG outside of your limited experiences?

I don't go into threads concerning White Wolf games (Vampire, Exalted, etc.) and tell people how I've never played those games or known anyone who did, and so find it 'weird' that there are threads on those games.  I realize that doing so would be either stupid or trolling.

Quote from: Akrasia;567851Okay.  But if you realize that your own experiences and perceptions do not reflect the broader RPG scene, then why even bother expressing them in a thread concerning a RPG outside of your limited experiences?

How do my own experiences not reflect the greater rpg scene?  There's like 40 people who have posted in this thread.  Is that somehow the 'broader rpg scene'?  

Quote from: Akrasia;567851I don't go into threads concerning White Wolf games (Vampire, Exalted, etc.) and tell people how I've never played those games or known anyone who did, and so find it 'weird' that there are threads on those games.  I realize that doing so would be either stupid or trolling.

"Weird.

I've only seen CoC played(rarely) at Cons and the only board that mentions it with any frequency is this one."

Is a benign statement.  I didn't come in with both guns blazing ripping the system.
But in true rpgsite fashion the horn was sounded, the wagons circled, guns aimed and fired.

Quote from: Sommerjon;567816Holy shit dude.  What fucking part of IAren't you not getting?
DiD I say anything anywhere at fucking all about anything but my own goddamn experience?  That answer would be no by the fucking way.

Yes, dumbfuck. You said, "...and the only board that mentions it with any frequency is this one."

You'll note the complete absence of the word "I" from that clause.

At this point you'll probably claim that we should be talking about the use of the word "I" from earlier in the same sentence. Okay, fine. If we did that, this is what you'd be claiming to have written: "I've the only board that mentions it with any frequency is this one." Which would make you an illiterate dumbfuck.

Quote from: Sommerjon;567857How do my own experiences not reflect the greater rpg scene?

Um, because they are your own experiences.

Perhaps it is time for a basic statistics class?

Quote from: Sommerjon;567857There's like 40 people who have posted in this thread.  Is that somehow the 'broader rpg scene'?

I can't speak for everyone else who has posted in this thread, but anyone who claims that their own particular experiences are representative of the 'broader rpg scene' is an idiot.

To defend the relative popularity of CoC all one has to do is point to the obvious data: the long history of CoC, the many awards it's won over the years, the websites devoted to it, the threads devoted to it on many different fora, the numerous supplements that have been published for it over three decades, and so forth.

CoC is not D&D.  But to suggest that it's not as popular as Aftermath is almost as idiotic as thinking that one's particular experience with RPGs is representative of the broader community.

Quote from: Akrasia;567861Um, because they are your own experiences.


To defend the relative popularity of CoC all one has to do is point to the obvious data: the long history of CoC, the many awards it's won over the years, the websites devoted to it, the threads devoted to it on many different fora, the numerous supplements that have been published for it over three decades, and so forth.

Or for that matter to see how many competitors it has generated - Trail of Cthuhlu etc...