Healing in Next

jibbajibba · June 12, 2012, 04:50:32 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;548244Again, any "solution" that splits hp, or that requires complicated book-keeping, is not going to fly.

RPGPundit

The system i outline has no extra bookkeeping. You have hp and a threshold level when you get to the threshold you are injured and can no longer regain hd. Your hp cure at 1 per day until you pass the theshold then you can heal with hd again.
The inability to heal with hd is the injury penalty.

One hp total no additional work to do but it feels like you have physical damage and effects.

Bedrockbrendan · June 12, 2012, 04:54:13 PM

A poster on enworld (who I normally disagree with strongly) proposed having to seperate methods to select from without making one default. I think this might work and step on few peoples' toes.

LordVreeg · June 12, 2012, 04:55:08 PM

ha!

Healing surges, etc....My game went in the opposite way. In my game, the lower healing spells can only be used once a day on a person. max healing in a day naturally is 3 points.

thedungeondelver · June 12, 2012, 04:58:59 PM

Grey-box the entire healing system in 5e, deflate the goddamn hit points, problem solved.

Benoist · June 12, 2012, 05:00:38 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;548263Grey-box the entire healing system in 5e, deflate the goddamn hit points, problem solved.

This.

Sacrosanct · June 12, 2012, 05:15:43 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;548263Grey-box the entire healing system in 5e, deflate the goddamn hit points, problem solved.

Don't forget to randomize hit points (especially for the bad guys).

thedungeondelver · June 12, 2012, 05:25:19 PM

Quote from: Sacrosanct;548277Don't forget to randomize hit points (especially for the bad guys).

Definitely.

Benoist · June 12, 2012, 05:44:14 PM

Quote from: Sacrosanct;548277Don't forget to randomize hit points (especially for the bad guys).

Right. That too!

Marleycat · June 12, 2012, 06:41:32 PM

I forgot to mention that (random hp for monsters) in my playtest feedback but I did harp on the whole healing mechanic and the hitpoint inflation.

thecasualoblivion · June 12, 2012, 08:45:09 PM

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;547642The consensus around here seems to be that one day heals and HD should go. On other sites it is more fifty-fifty from what I see, but still there is a deep divide and lots of folks are unhappy (and the two camps seem to be the unusual suspects of the old healing surges vs no healing surges debates from 4e---which tells me this mechanic just continues one of the major barriers to entry for that edition). So assuming wotc decides HD and overnight heals are too controversial to stay in the game, what is the best way for them to handle HP in a way that satisfies us but also satisfies those on the other side who detest traditional HP and healing?

I think HD and one night heals are popular enough they can just keep them as an optional ad on rule for less lethal campaigns. But otherwise have natural healing take days to weeks, go back to divine healing as the norm and do what worked for decades.

This is a small site. If the bigger sites are 50-50, I'd expect it to be just as important to mind the people who are ok with the current healing system or think it should go even farther as it is to mind those upset by it.

Marleycat · June 12, 2012, 11:10:44 PM

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;548334This is a small site. If the bigger sites are 50-50, I'd expect it to be just as important to mind the people who are ok with the current healing system or think it should go even farther as it is to mind those upset by it.

I think you're correct but I see two obvious ways for a middle ground solution and have the pre 4e mechanic and the 4e mechanic as options. Overnight healing tied to either HD dice or character level, you could have CON bonus on top also.

Bedrockbrendan · June 12, 2012, 11:14:26 PM

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;548334This is a small site. If the bigger sites are 50-50, I'd expect it to be just as important to mind the people who are ok with the current healing system or think it should go even farther as it is to mind those upset by it.

Yup they need both. But making HD and one day heals default, in my opinion, will create more fuss than having them as options. They fit easy enough on top of old school hp. Having an optional tag on them should be no obstacle to people who offered countless workarounds to anyone who didn't like 4E.

Sacrosanct · June 13, 2012, 12:41:42 AM

I don't see why it has to be difficult. Have randomized hp and HD healing instead of full healing, and for those that want a more 4e experience, have PCs with max hp (no rolling), full heals after rest, and double monster HP.

thedungeondelver · June 13, 2012, 12:45:35 AM

Quote from: Sacrosanct;548369I don't see why it has to be difficult. Have randomized hp and HD healing instead of full healing, and for those that want a more 4e experience, have PCs with max hp (no rolling), full heals after rest, and double monster HP.

Exactly; it takes about 1/1,000,000,000th of an ounce of ink to print what you just said in a rulebook.

B.T. · June 13, 2012, 12:50:43 AM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;548263Grey-box the entire healing system in 5e, deflate the goddamn hit points, problem solved.

Grey-box?

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;548261A poster on enworld (who I normally disagree with strongly) proposed having to seperate methods to select from without making one default. I think this might work and step on few peoples' toes.

Only problem is that there needs to be a default in the core system. I don't want the base game to be "pick and choose from a dozen options." I think the game needs to be stingy at first because it's generally better when the DM is generous and allows easier options than when he takes them away.