Quote from: Black Vulmea;613062I'm wondering how many people get that reference.

Red Dwarf?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;613074Red Dwarf?

Mel Brooks.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;613062I'm wondering how many people get that reference.

C'mon everyone knows Mel Brooks, don't they?

All the staple D&D races are overdone by the time you have been playing for 30 years. It's why 4e added a load of other shit races with cool new powerz well that and to sell more rules.

The answer should be that all demi humans are removed from the game. Then give the GM a toolbox to create new interesting races for their setting.

For the lazy or unimaginative sell new settings that use the toolbox to create new and interesting races. If you pick up a new fantasy novel and their are elves and hobbits and dwarves and its all the same old shit you wouldn't bother to read it. The same should be true of RPGs.
Give me the tools to create my own races inside a structured framework so I can create my own elves, sea faring bucaneer elves with green skin and gills, or dark skinned cave dwellers that worship spiders if I can't think of any of my own fcuking ideas....

Any anyone that spend their teen years reading shit D&D fiction when the world is literally full of wonderful actual books that are just waiting to be read should have their youth expunged from the record books.

Quote from: Doom;613076Mel Brooks.

doh. I totally should have known that.  I guess I was thinking it was very obscure.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;613103I guess I was thinking it was very obscure.

I'm betting Premier was referring to Space Viking, not Mel Brooks, so yeah, it might actually be a bit obscure if that's the case.

Quote from: jibbajibba;613081Any anyone that spend their teen years reading shit D&D fiction when the world is literally full of wonderful actual books that are just waiting to be read should have their youth expunged from the record books.

Well, I read both "actual books" (Faeire Queene by Spencer in his original language - and English is not even my first language) and D&D/FR novels.

Re: FR novels, I admit a personal weakness: they are so stupid, they are relaxing. My GF has a degree in Italian Literature and Arts, and she watches soap operas - so I guess everyone of us need a personal stupid space (even my avatar, Gregory House, sometimes "just wants to spend an evening alone, with a glass of wiskey in hand, watching "Real Housewifes of New Jersey"... )

However, there are some decent to good FR books which sports one or more of three qualities: they are simply good reads ("Elfshadow") or give you glimpses of the "daily life in the realms", with places, people, descriptions and so on.

Then, true, there is Lankmar, Lovecraft & Howard, Thieves World, Moorkock - not to mention the droves of both classic and good popular literature that can also give ideas for fantasy adventures (Tom Clancy is a favourite of mine when it comes to Empire/Gods-level conpiracies...) But sometimes I only need a good description of daily life in Arabel - even in the context of a depressing plot quality-wise - to be happy with my "Real Housewifes of Cormir" dose

Quote from: jibbajibba;613081Any anyone that spend their teen years reading shit D&D fiction when the world is literally full of wonderful actual books that are just waiting to be read should have their youth expunged from the record books.

Dude part of being a teenager is not knowing, and mostly being incapable of knowing, what is actually good for you.

So lighten up.

Quote from: Piestrio;613115Dude part of being a teenager is not knowing, and mostly being incapable of knowing, what is actually good for you.

So lighten up.

I was being tongue in cheek .... but surely even a pre-pubescent 11 year old knows that if a book is set in, the Forgetten Realms Universe, the Star Trek Universe, the Star Wars Universe, the Universe it is drivel. My mum taught me few things but that was number 3.

Quote from: RPGPundit;612985I think that the Gygax-era Drow were pretty cool villains.

RPGPundit

Hear Hear.

jg

Quote from: Black Vulmea;613062I'm wondering how many people get that reference.

Ze Jews
In Space
Ze zooming around, protecting ze Hebrew Race
Ze Jews, up in Spa-ace
Ze running around [something something in Yiddish]

And when ze Goyim attacks us,
We hit him right back in iz face
[PEW! PIOW! PEW!]
Ze JEWS up in SPA-AACE,
Ze zooming ARO-OUND
Protecting
Ze He-brew RA-A-ACE

Quote from: Black Vulmea;613111I'm betting Premier was referring to Space Viking, not Mel Brooks, so yeah, it might actually be a bit obscure if that's the case.

H. Beam Piper? I don't see how that follows....

Quote from: jeff37923;613131H. Beam Piper? I don't see how that follows....

The Gilgameshers.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;613111I'm betting Premier was referring to Space Viking, not Mel Brooks, so yeah, it might actually be a bit obscure if that's the case.

Just to set the record straight, I was referring to Mel Brooks.

Quote from: RPGPundit;612985I think that the Gygax-era Drow were pretty cool villains.

RPGPundit

I've never liked them. I guess you can say that i like them less now than back then, but it is a low bar.