Quote from: Warboss Squee;1043418My first child was born the same December Far West was supposed to drop.

She turns seven this year.

Me too!  Well, my daughter was born in August, during the campaign.  I no doubt checked the progress of the campaign during quiet periods in the hospital.  (Which means this thread is a little early, but eh.)

Honestly, it's never going to produce.  Anyone who's put in serious money should have gone after it by now - there's lots of folks who had paid money for portraits and the like who have been refunded down to the pdf level, which was $10.  (For technical reasons having to do with how old the campaign is, Gareth is apparently unable to remove people from being backers.  Which I actually believe, because if he could get some of the folks to leave and not comment on the kickstarter anymore he would.

Anyway, although it's amusing to watch time go by and see the updates, I only ever backed at the $10 level, and I spend more than that on Meetup groups that I'm unable to attend due to my wife's health problems, on Marvel Unlimited so I can read superheroes, on Youtube, Netflix, hulu, crunchyroll... honestly, it's financial noise at this distance of time.

Honestly, people wouldn't care so much if Gareth wasn't so nasty to people.  Anon Adderlan on this board started the Pulse dice kickstarter six years ago and never delivered, and no one even remembers that except me, it seems.

I find it funny that Skarka has probably put 250,000 words on Twitter since this thing started yet likely not one word in a ms for it.

Also that he said "We used to shoot people for being Nazis" - yeah, Skarka, and we used to jail folks for defrauding people out of $43,000 but whaddyagonnado, right?

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1043537I find it funny that Skarka has probably put 250,000 words on Twitter since this thing started yet likely not one word in a ms for it.

Well, that's not entirely true.  There are pdfs of a number of chapters that have been released to us backers over the years.  Just not the central system chapter that would let you play the game.

Quote from: jcfiala;1043538Well, that's not entirely true.  There are pdfs of a number of chapters that have been released to us backers over the years.  Just not the central system chapter that would let you play the game.

Fair play.

Thinking on it, as I was saying to my daughter (the one who was eight when Far West was first put up for funding), KS really is the perfect platform for a scam.

When the economy is up, sure, of course, people have the money to donate!

So you'd think, well when it's down that dries up, right?  Noooooo, then the KS creators get a sympathetic eye from potential backers who have similar interests.  "Well in this economy who can get venture capital funds!  Have $20 my good man!" etc.

It's really a nearly perfect machine.

You really can fool some of the people all of the time.

Quote from: Melan;1043591You really can fool some of the people all of the time.

Can you?  Like whom?

And how have you been fooling them?

Quote from: Melan;1043477Can Kickstarters legally fail? I haven't looked too deeply into it, but it seems you can delay them to infinity, but you have to deliver something at the end, even if it is a cop-out leaving everyone disappointed.

Depends on how you define "legally fail".

https://www.kickstarter.com/fulfillment

Quote9% of Kickstarter projects failed to deliver rewards
8% of dollars pledged went to failed projects
7% of backers failed to receive their chosen reward

Every time you use Kickstarter to back someone, it says (which most people ignore):
https://www.kickstarter.com/trust?ref=fulfillment-report

QuoteKickstarter is not a store. People aren't buying things that already exist -- they're helping to create new things. Creating things isn't always easy. Some projects will go wonderfully, and others will run into obstacles. Be prepared for a little bit of each.

Kickstarter even tells creators, if you aren't above board and transparent, you can be sued.

https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use?ref=fulfillment-report

QuoteIf a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they've failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:

    they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
    they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that's communicated to backers;
    they're able to demonstrate that they've used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
    they've been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
    they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.

The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they're unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1043418My first child was born the same December Far West was supposed to drop.

She turns seven this year.

I'm quite certain you'll be able to repeat this story when she graduates high school.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1043537I find it funny that Skarka has probably put 250,000 words on Twitter since this thing started yet likely not one word in a ms for it.

Also that he said "We used to shoot people for being Nazis" - yeah, Skarka, and we used to jail folks for defrauding people out of $43,000 but whaddyagonnado, right?

I love that .gif

I love it even more that I was worthy of it.

:hat tip:

Who and what now?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1043886I'm quite certain you'll be able to repeat this story when she graduates high school.

The only thing that makes me kinda sorta not regret backing this is that I got to experience an absolute legend being born. This is a cautionary tale I think they're going to be talking about for years to come.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1043987Who and what now?

Looks like Google still exists.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1043987Who and what now?

Seven years back a dude named Gareth Skarka decided he'd write a mash-up of Boot Hill and Big Trouble in Little China and call it The Far West, a play on "The Far East", as Asia is or was referred as.  There'd be gun-fu channeled through Spaghetti Westerns, etc.

People pledged $48000 (I'd said 43k, before, but I believe it was closer to 48) and he's spent seven years dancing around the matter.  The $48k is almost entirely assuredly gone now; I wouldn't count on seeing it in print unless someone does a POD version or just takes it straight to Lulu.  He's complained off and on about various things stopping him working but in the interim he's done several gigs writing RPG material.

I have a vision of Warboss, eyes welling up with love and pride, playing a promotional video for Far West as he gives his little girl away on her wedding day.