I am considering being a DM on there but I am worried about wokies.

Has anyone tried the site yet?

So I just visited this site, and frankly I've always found the concept of a paid DM quite retarded.

However I also believe in natural selection and this seems like a way to make money pretty "easy." At least if the system you're running doesn't suck ass through a stray.

That said it seems 5e and PF2 are mainly the advertised sort of games there, so I'm going to say half of everyone there will be fairly left leaning.

I have nothing but the blind guess that maybe if you pick a more based/less Woke system folks might self-select somewhat? IDK.

A mainstream site, with paid DM's, and hyper-focused on D&D5e and Pathfinder 2e?
My thoughts are at the 0:22 mark.

Quote from: Captain_Pazuzu on December 22, 2023, 03:10:02 PM
I am considering being a DM on there but I am worried about wokies.

Has anyone tried the site yet?

I mean dude, can you stream this.  I want to see the point where you have the autist pull his N card on you because he can't handle the depiction of the wife of the woodsman because he has a micropenis and it hurts his self image because he can never get a wife.  And you then have to retcon it to just the woodsman and his dog and then you have another autist who is deathly afriad of dogs due to her 3rd grade private school bringing in a beagle and the beagle wouldn't lick her hand because she smelled of unwashed hippie.

Did you even bother to read the Code of Conduct?  You will need a conduct warning for everything you put in the game.  You will have to pull whatever content your players want you to pull.  You are not a DM, you are the players bitch, a paid bitch to do exactly what they tell you do for a small amount of money.  You will be taking your hobby and turning it into a job for people who will not respect nor like your game rules.  They are going to expect Matt Mercer level of voice acting and plot armor.

Also don't forget as a DM you are going to have to list your pronouns, and you are going to have to play the pronoun game with your players as well.

I say go for it, but dude, what are you going to do when you are running a campaign set for 6 players and 2 have signed up for the session.  They are not normal gamers, they won't follow a schedule and you will have to run the adventure for the two players, hell probably playing NPC's as well to keep the group up.

You can look at their safety team who will respond immediately anyone is made to feel uncomfortable.  It reads like a truth and reconciliation council right out of Harvard. 

https://startplaying.helpscoutdocs.com/article/32-code-of-conduct

I guess you could compare it to the alternatives to figure out opportunity costs? I guess there's those pay to play Reddit subreddits, Camp Dragon Online (I'd assume mostly D&D?), and Roll20 paid game posting? Probably notably less Woke restrictions for some of those, though IDK how profitable those all are.

Quote from: KindaMeh on December 22, 2023, 11:25:58 PM
I have nothing but the blind guess that maybe if you pick a more based/less Woke system folks might self-select somewhat? IDK.

I was just on there and did that very thing.  Everyone has pronouns unless you look up the OSR stuff.  Then they seem to be a little more normal.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on December 23, 2023, 12:54:40 AM

Quote from: Captain_Pazuzu on December 22, 2023, 03:10:02 PM
I am considering being a DM on there but I am worried about wokies.

Has anyone tried the site yet?

I mean dude, can you stream this.  I want to see the point where you have the autist pull his N card on you because he can't handle the depiction of the wife of the woodsman because he has a micropenis and it hurts his self image because he can never get a wife.  And you then have to retcon it to just the woodsman and his dog and then you have another autist who is deathly afriad of dogs due to her 3rd grade private school bringing in a beagle and the beagle wouldn't lick her hand because she smelled of unwashed hippie.

Did you even bother to read the Code of Conduct?  You will need a conduct warning for everything you put in the game.  You will have to pull whatever content your players want you to pull.  You are not a DM, you are the players bitch, a paid bitch to do exactly what they tell you do for a small amount of money.  You will be taking your hobby and turning it into a job for people who will not respect nor like your game rules.  They are going to expect Matt Mercer level of voice acting and plot armor.

Also don't forget as a DM you are going to have to list your pronouns, and you are going to have to play the pronoun game with your players as well.

I say go for it, but dude, what are you going to do when you are running a campaign set for 6 players and 2 have signed up for the session.  They are not normal gamers, they won't follow a schedule and you will have to run the adventure for the two players, hell probably playing NPC's as well to keep the group up.

You can look at their safety team who will respond immediately anyone is made to feel uncomfortable.  It reads like a truth and reconciliation council right out of Harvard. 

https://startplaying.helpscoutdocs.com/article/32-code-of-conduct

I did not yet read the code of conduct.  (just read it) Ugh!

What the fuck are safety tools?

Either way, your response is hilarious.

You've probably already looked them up at this point, but basically safety tools are systematized or gamified methods by which players veto what they deem to be objectionable content or otherwise directly make demands upon the game for their own comfort. I'm not really a fan of this sort of thing, and think most folks can just talk things out and agree to trust their dm, but some big ones you might already know of or encounter:

1. Session Zero, in which the group as a whole including the players decides what the general expectations for the game are. Part of the assumption is that a social contract is forged, and the dm must stay roughly within the bounds of what was originally expressed and agreed upon.

2. Lines and Veils, which players can update at any time to either keep stuff out of the campaign (lines), or have it take place with minimal description/offscreen (veils).

3. X-cards, which when played signal an end to the scene and potentially disturbing content. As well as the dm having to speak to the player(s) in question and reevaluate how best not to disturb or offend them.

Stuff like that, I guess, though I'm by no means an expert, since I don't like or trust this stuff, but this is by no means everything or even close to it in terms of possibilities.

Quote from: KindaMeh on December 23, 2023, 03:22:31 AM
You've probably already looked them up at this point, but basically safety tools are systematized or gamified methods by which players veto what they deem to be objectionable content or otherwise directly make demands upon the game for their own comfort. I'm not really a fan of this sort of thing, and think most folks can just talk things out and agree to trust their dm, but some big ones you might already know of or encounter:

1. Session Zero, in which the group as a whole including the players decides what the general expectations for the game are. Part of the assumption is that a social contract is forged, and the dm must stay roughly within the bounds of what was originally expressed and agreed upon.

2. Lines and Veils, which players can update at any time to either keep stuff out of the campaign (lines), or have it take place with minimal description/offscreen (veils).

3. X-cards, which when played signal an end to the scene and potentially disturbing content. As well as the dm having to speak to the player(s) in question and reevaluate how best not to disturb or offend them.

Stuff like that, I guess, though I'm by no means an expert, since I don't like or trust this stuff, but this is by no means everything or even close to it in terms of possibilities.

Yeah... I've been reading up on them.  Truly bizarre.

Did people just totally forget how to interact with other people?  Or is this a sort of virtue signal that doesn't actually ever come up? 

I can't imagine needing something like this.  It seems really, really weird.

In a good group that trusts and jives well with its dm, it's basically a non-factor. Apart from the effort required to set all that shit up at the start. In the hands of a problem player, or if there's internal strife, these things can plausibly be weaponized, I guess. This is just what I've heard. The only one I've ever experienced was a pseudo-session-zero group brainstorming thingy.

Quote from: Captain_Pazuzu on December 23, 2023, 02:59:23 AMWhat the fuck are safety tools?

Quote from: Captain_Pazuzu on December 23, 2023, 03:30:11 AM
I can't imagine needing something like this.  It seems really, really weird.

Some would say "mentally ill" even.

Quote from: Captain_Pazuzu on December 23, 2023, 03:30:11 AM
Yeah... I've been reading up on them.  Truly bizarre.

Did people just totally forget how to interact with other people?  Or is this a sort of virtue signal that doesn't actually ever come up? 

I can't imagine needing something like this.  It seems really, really weird.

The X-card and the Consent in Gaming contract are both items from the kink community.  The X-card specifically is from a woman is into pretty rough BDSM play and ported this over from her "nocturnal activities" that she uses to keep from ending up in jail over a hospitalization (or worse) of a playmate.

Quote from: BadApple on December 23, 2023, 07:35:12 AM
The X-card and the Consent in Gaming contract are both items from the kink community.  The X-card specifically is from a woman is into pretty rough BDSM play and ported this over from her "nocturnal activities" that she uses to keep from ending up in jail over a hospitalization (or worse) of a playmate.

Got some links for this assertion? Because having witnessed plenty of "rough BDSM play" myself, the idea of someone stopping to "play a card" during a BDSM scene sounds entirely unrealistic to me. (And, just as in gaming, more generally handled with, you know, words.)

Quote from: Zalman on December 23, 2023, 07:47:02 AM

Quote from: BadApple on December 23, 2023, 07:35:12 AM
The X-card and the Consent in Gaming contract are both items from the kink community.  The X-card specifically is from a woman is into pretty rough BDSM play and ported this over from her "nocturnal activities" that she uses to keep from ending up in jail over a hospitalization (or worse) of a playmate.

Got some links for this assertion? Because having witnessed plenty of "rough BDSM play" myself, the idea of someone stopping to "play a card" during a BDSM scene sounds entirely unrealistic to me. (And, just as in gaming, more generally handled with, you know, words.)

Not cards specifically but non verbal signals, specifically where gagging is a part of the play.  The woman who introduced it said as much pretty clearly.