Quote from: Kellri;824263Tekumel con game horror story

Holy shit, these people do actually exist. I feel sorry for her.

Quote from: Ravenswing;824255It makes no sense to me either.

Let me get this straight, because the premise just strikes me as so frigging ridiculous as to be nearly incomprehensible: some of you don't want anything to do with a published game because you've run into people on the Internet who (a) like that game and (b) are dicks?

Seriously?

Follow that insane premise to its logical conclusion, and you ought to not want to have anything to do with roleplaying games, because it's demonstrably the case that a lot of their players are disgusting whackdoodles.

Gods, grow a pair, some of ya.  People on the Internet being dicks.  (shakes his head)  Stop the freaking presses.

i game on the internet i dont have the privilige of living in the city i am forced to live in the middle of fucking nowhere where nobody around me enjoys roleplaying so people on the internet very much affect me

fuck i hate living where i live

Quote from: The Butcher;824271Holy shit, these people do actually exist. I feel sorry for her.

I almost did, but then she didn't so much as question things when character generation went past the 1-hour mark. Then my sympathy waned. He was a horrible GM, yeah, but he didn't forcibly restrain her and make her sit through the whole 6 hour crapfest.

Quote from: Kellri;824263My first year in university I had the fabulous luck of having a really stunning girlfriend. I played D&D with her and her friends, started bringing her to my local gaming club and she would often spend time at my place reading my gaming books. She was an anthropology major and was really intrigued by Tekumel. There was no way I could have done that game justice so we never played ourselves, but she read all the books. Anyways, we went to this convention at OSU and at sign-up I got into a couple of miniature wargames and she signed up for a 6-hour Tekumel game and a shorter Toon game. The guy running the Tekumel game was a late-middle-aged bespectacled guy in a white shirt, tie and black slacks. He had this elaborate table setup with placards, a stack of reference materials, dice, and an illuminated 5-page character sheet at each place-setting. It looked kind of like an aging Mormon or John Bircher getting ready to brief the Presidential cabinet on Mesoamerican death cults. As it turned out, my girlfriend was the only player to sign up. For the first three hours he walked her through creating an obsessively-detailed 1st-level character for Swords & Glory - right down to the proper Tsolyani name, clan, familial titles, etc. The fifth hour, my minis game finished, I walked over to sit in with her. He spent nearly the entire hour reading this complex adventure background which boiled down to ..."You'd like to explore the Jakallan underworld but right now your clan-obligations dictate you go down to the docks and ensure that shipment of fish has arrived". The last plodding hour involved hiring some slaves to carry her palanquin through the streets to the docks and signing release forms for the goods. As the session ended she was completely brain-dead from the experience and was desperate to go out to the car and smoke a joint before the Toon game. As I'm shaking hands with the Tekumel-guy, he looks at my girlfriend and says to me...'I've been admiring these all afternoon. What do you call them? Oh yes, breasts.' Needless to say, she never asked to play Tekumel again. For the next couple of years I kept running into the same guy at other local cons - always with the same setup and always with only one, soon-to-be-a-Tekumel-hater, player. AFAIK, he never played anything but Tekumel. At another later con, I was talking with Tom Moldvay and pointed the guy out to him with a 'who is THAT motherfucker' kind of line. Tom smiled and just said 'Yeah, you should probably think about playing another game'.

Jebus. It sounds like he was trying to drive people away from the game.

Quote from: tuypo1;824275i game on the internet i dont have the privilige of living in the city i am forced to live in the middle of fucking nowhere where nobody around me enjoys roleplaying so people on the internet very much affect me

fuck i hate living where i live

There's also the assumption that everyone is only talking about internet assholes.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;824264If the system itself hadn't done the job first, . . . nah, if it had a good system, I'd have liked it. I like what I like, even if other people who like the same thing are insufferable tools.

honestly from what little i have looked at it the system does not look to bad

the problem is the whole stunt thing completely fucking breaks it they are very clear to be brief which i can apreciate but the community seems to constantly fucking encourage taking control of your environment

i consider myself a pretty lenient and layed back dm for the most part but the 1 immutable rule at my games is not describe the actions of npcs thats the dms job dont say you swing the sword and then do something when he trys to block its my job to say he tries to block and definitely dont try and control an npcs emotions. problem is pretty much all the stunt examples i have seen break this simple rule (not that the stunt system at its core is any good its a foolish idea from the start)

plus you are actively encouraged to break the timings set up by the combat system which can never end well.

Quote from: Nexus;824212Were you turned off from Exalted recently?

Started years ago with the 2nd edition debacle, but more recently with the kiss ass attitude and bending backwards and all that crap over at TBP.

Quote from: Ravenswing;824255It makes no sense to me either.

Let me get this straight, because the premise just strikes me as so frigging ridiculous as to be nearly incomprehensible: some of you don't want anything to do with a published game because you've run into people on the Internet who (a) like that game and (b) are dicks?

Seriously?

Follow that insane premise to its logical conclusion, and you ought to not want to have anything to do with roleplaying games, because it's demonstrably the case that a lot of their players are disgusting whackdoodles.

Gods, grow a pair, some of ya.  People on the Internet being dicks.  (shakes his head)  Stop the freaking presses.

Actually, they were also dicks in real life, at the gaming table and elsewhere. I could understand someone not wanting to game at my table if they preferred a different edition. But these guys would stop somebody else's game, while we were playing, to rant at me if they found out I preferred the "wrong" edition. Because edition warriors are never off duty, I guess.

Most importantly, they were dicks when they should have been talking business. Seriously, just about everyone else I've talked to in the industry since I left my old "fan" community has been polite and professional at a minimum; friendly and encouraging in most cases. The difference is like night and day.

And yes, their behavior on the internet is even worse, BTW. Not my problem any more.

Quote from: nitril;824286Started years ago with the 2nd edition debacle, but more recently with the kiss ass attitude and bending backwards and all that crap over at TBP.

I can completely relate.

I'll share my Hero story.

I was gaming at a LGS called Travellers in Time.  There was a fair bit of dysfunctional gaming going on there, but I was young, had nothing better to do, and the people there weren't so bad.  My best friend of the time (the guy who got me into RPGs) met these guys who were into the Hero System (Champions).  They apparently really sold him on Champions and he immediately hunted down several books available at the time.  Anyway, they were organizing a game at the shop and invited us to play.

To start with, they said that Hero could handle any character concept a player could throw at it.  They asked what character I'd like to play.  It took about six attempts before they finally said one of my character concepts was doable.  I don't remember all of them I asked about.  I do remember one was a character like Rogue, but without the power absorbing ability (Super Strength, Invulnerability, and Flight).  Another was a simple energy blaster character who could fly.  In retrospect now that I know something about the Hero system, they were all very basic and easy characters to make.  They turned all those down saying they weren't suitable for the system.  The one they did approve was a Cat-Man with a blaster pistol and jet pack.  

So then they made my character for me.  It took about three hours.  They never explained any of it to me.  

I don't remember what my best friend got for a character after the ordeal.  He seemed happy about it.

Then we started playing.  Everything started in a superhero bar where "heroes and villains gathered to have drinks."  We were immediately introduced to a GMPC named Lone Star who was basically Michael Knight with a version of K.I.T.T. painted white.  Why his car was in the bar didn't seem to be an important question to anyone but me.

Anyway, the scene in the bar consisted of all the NPCs calling us idiots.  This went on for a while until I asked when we were going to do something superheroic instead of hanging out in the bar (because we couldn't leave, you see).  The two GMs just looked at me blankly.  I sighed and decided I'd pick a fight with one of the villains in the bar who had been insulting my character the most.

The GM's perked up, because this was seemingly what they had been waiting for.  All the NPCs started hooting and hollering and saying I had issued a Challenge (yep captial C).  This required we be teleported to an arena along with the team of the villain I had talked back to.  Now we were going to have a fight.

I asked where my blaster and jet pack were and the GMs told me they were 10 yards behind me (or something like that).  My friend also had an equipment focused character and his gear was similarly 10 yards behind him.  When combat started we immediately ran backwards to get and equip our basic gear.  The GMs then ridiculed us for running away from their bad guys.  This was intensely humorous to them and they made comments about it all through the fight.

I remember combat lasting an eternity before I finally got to do something.  I said I took off and shot at one of the bad guys.  In response, I got told that I could only do one or the other, so I chose to take off.  The GM's told me to roll a d20 to make my take off check.  I succeeded.  Yes, it was a d20 roll, in Hero.

Then another eternity went by before my second action.  I said I shot my blaster at a villain, and was asked to roll another d20.  I rolled and missed.  Once again, d20 roll, in Hero.

Then one of the villains decided to attack me.  The GM rolled some stuff behind the screen, then told me I had taken damage and was vaporized.  He told me I could make up a new character after the game.

I sat there for a while while my best friend played.  For some reason he was having fun, although I'm pretty sure his character got killed in one attack too.  I had to wait for him, because he was my ride home.

Afterwards, I wanted to go home, but my best friend wanted to hang with these two guys for a while longer and refused to take the time to drop me off.  So, I ended up tagging along having no other choice.  We ended up at Whataburger where the two GMs spent until 4AM telling us about their GMPCs.  For some reason, my friend thought these guys were great.

After this experience, I never wanted to see Hero or Champions again.  I got the impression it could only create very limited characters, and was a save or die system.  Not only that, but it came across as a tedious mess of a system.

It wasn't until the 00s when I bought Hero 5 on a whim (I was buying everything else, so why not?) that I finally saw the system and realized what absolute putzes the two GMs were.  Had I been introduced properly to the Hero system in the late 80s, then I would have loved it.  But since these two idiots had been my introduction to it, I actively avoided it until too late in my RPGing life to properly enjoy it.

Quote from: Gabriel2;824295Hero horror story snipped.

As a long term Hero System fan I'd like to apologize for that. I've heard similar stories from different games but unfortunately Hero seems to have more than its fair share. And it seems to have haunted the game to this day.

Quote from: Gabriel2;824295Had I been introduced properly to the Hero system in the late 80s, then I would have loved it.  But since these two idiots had been my introduction to it, I actively avoided it until too late in my RPGing life to properly enjoy it.

My one experience with Hero (4e) was actually good, but like you've mentioned, timing is a big deal. I didn't really look into it until I was too old to dedicate the necessary time to learn and master the system. Pity that.

I honestly can't say they have, but then again, I'm picky about who I game with in the first place.

I can say, however, that people being dickish about some games has prompted me to buy those games. Case in point: D&D 5E starter set, though in that case I was slightly interested already.  I'm less interested in The Strange, but the recent BS around it has me considering it very seriously.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;824302I honestly can't say they have, but then again, I'm picky about who I game with in the first place.

I can say, however, that people being dickish about some games has prompted me to buy those games. Case in point: D&D 5E starter set, though in that case I was slightly interested already.  I'm less interested in The Strange, but the recent BS around it has me considering it very seriously.

I can't say I've never gotten a game out of spite.

I guess it's become a sort of voting with my wallet or a way of showing support.